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I have a plain 20-250 with an 18" barrel. 3850 with 40 grain bibs. Would work with your bolt face. Barrel life does suffer. You could just run your .243 and go with 80 or 85 grain barnes bullets. I have used those plenty to save fur.

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Originally Posted by BrentParker
I have a plain 20-250 with an 18" barrel. 3850 with 40 grain bibs. Would work with your bolt face. Barrel life does suffer. You could just run your .243 and go with 80 or 85 grain barnes bullets. I have used those plenty to save fur.
The 20-250 is the cartridge I'm going with.
I'm not trying to save fur, Just can't use any center fire cartridge larger than .20 cal in NY state restricted hunting zones.
I'm pushing the 40 Gr V max to 4,000 Fps in my 20 Practical with 4198 and if I can get near that with the 20-250 I'll be happy.
I'm looking at getting an 18" barrel too, as most of my shots are within 100 yards.

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A pard has a 20-250 AI.

He is set up for and really likes the 50 or 55 grain Berger but I am pretty sure those are discontinued.


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I have a .20-250 AI that I had built a few years ago. Had it throated and twisted for the .55 grain Bergers (now discontinued). In a 22 inch barrel it was easy to get over 4000 fps but I finally settled on 3910 fps for accuracy. It is/was an absolute hammer on coyotes and whitetails. Only used H-4350 and the 55's it was easy and accurate so no need to chase something that I didn't need.
Simple process to use a Redding bushing die then fireform with 39 or 40's to save the 55's.
Only downfall was expected barrel life!!!Mine is at 837 rounds and still going strong but it is showing some erosion and cracking. Knew it when it was built but what's the use in having a race car and not going fast? It will make 1K before barrel needs to be switched so there is a lot of coyotes and whitetails still in it.
I am using a Leopold CDS and with 1 revolution you can dead hold to 712 yards.
I don't think you would be unhappy with it at all.
Several of the boutique bullet makers can hook you up for bullets but if you need few pieces of fireformed brass and bullets let me know.
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Originally Posted by shoots100
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I have a plain 20-250 with an 18" barrel. 3850 with 40 grain bibs. Would work with your bolt face. Barrel life does suffer. You could just run your .243 and go with 80 or 85 grain barnes bullets. I have used those plenty to save fur.
The 20-250 is the cartridge I'm going with.
I'm not trying to save fur, Just can't use any center fire cartridge larger than .20 cal in NY state restricted hunting zones.
I'm pushing the 40 Gr V max to 4,000 Fps in my 20 Practical with 4198 and if I can get near that with the 20-250 I'll be happy.
I'm looking at getting an 18" barrel too, as most of my shots are within 100 yards.

SJC

I shoot a 20 Practical also.

one product you may not be familiar with, but Hornady makes neck sizing dies, in both a short and long version...
I've got 4 or 5 of them, and got them from the factory IIRC, for about $20.00

I think they still make one in 20 caliber. It would be adjustable for multiple different calibers., as you are only sizing the neck. Long and Short versions are dependent on the length of the base caliber you are using...



https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1011096636

https://www.opticsplanet.com/hornady-neck-size-die.html

either 243 or 22.250, or even like 6 BR or 22 BR, it should be easy to neck any one of them down to 20 caliber.

If you use either one of the 22 cal cartridges, the 22.250 or the 22BR, a 22 caliber die in that cartridge, remove the spindle and then size down, which will also size the body down.. then use the neck sizing Hornady die to size down the neck, this way you are using the 22 caliber die as a body die.

For seating the 20 caliber bullet, a 22 caliber seating die works just fine...

For my 20 practical, this is how I load for it...223 die for body die, 20 cal Hornady Neck sizer to neck down the neck ( that is all I had to buy), and then use a 223 seating die to seat the bullet...

having the 223 dieset all I had to buy was the 20 caliber Hornady Neck sizer for $20.

If doing a 22.250 necked down to a 20.250 ( I have those die sets also, from several manufacturers), same thing... pull the spindle out of the full length sizing die, for the body, and then use the neck sizer from Hornady for the neck, and then the seating die for the 20 caliber bullet...

Been loading my 20 Practical this way for 10 plus years....

Good luck on your project..


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Originally Posted by BrentParker
I have a plain 20-250 with an 18" barrel. 3850 with 40 grain bibs. Would work with your bolt face. Barrel life does suffer. You could just run your .243 and go with 80 or 85 grain barnes bullets. I have used those plenty to save fur.

barrel life issues... use one of the faster powders, and load it down, such as using 25 grains of 4198, if you are using a 22.250 case...
hence why I just built the 20 Practical....

Douglas use to list a 20.250 barrel available..., which should go on a Savage 10 or Axxis with no problems.


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A friend shoots the 20-250. The thing is an absolute laser and has destroyed boatloads of coyotes.

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Originally Posted by shoots100
I'd like to find a 20 cal cartridge that's based off of the .473 OD rim dia of the

I recall reading about something called a ".20 Satan" which was the 6.5x47 case necked down. The writer / developer was using 55 grain Bergers. I think that bullet has been discontinued.

I looked into big cased .20s for a while and chose not to do it. The easiest is likely to be a .20-250. That's past the point of diminishing returns. .20 BR is most practical ballistically but getting them to feed in a repeater can be a real challenge. I had just lost the fight with a .22 BR repeater which was part of "not going there."

In the end, sticking with .204 seemed "best." Today .204 brass isn't as common as it was .. I'd probably look at something based on the .223 case instead. .20 Practical, 1-10 or 1-11 twist, fairly short throat. Have you considered contacting PTG or other about a replacement bolt with the .378" diameter bolt face so you can use your current action?


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Originally Posted by T_O_M
Originally Posted by shoots100
I'd like to find a 20 cal cartridge that's based off of the .473 OD rim dia of the

I recall reading about something called a ".20 Satan" which was the 6.5x47 case necked down. The writer / developer was using 55 grain Bergers. I think that bullet has been discontinued.

I looked into big cased .20s for a while and chose not to do it. The easiest is likely to be a .20-250. That's past the point of diminishing returns. .20 BR is most practical ballistically but getting them to feed in a repeater can be a real challenge. I had just lost the fight with a .22 BR repeater which was part of "not going there."

In the end, sticking with .204 seemed "best." Today .204 brass isn't as common as it was .. I'd probably look at something based on the .223 case instead. .20 Practical, 1-10 or 1-11 twist, fairly short throat. Have you considered contacting PTG or other about a replacement bolt with the .378" diameter bolt face so you can use your current action?
Bergers 55 gr. 20 caliber is available from Graffs.

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Originally Posted by shoots100
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Cite any/all words that you find "too big" or "too Technical" and I'll use lesser versions,just for you. Hint.

As an aside,STUPIDITY isn't an "advantage" and now even you "know". You are doing "Great!". Hint.

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I'm looking for information, So please refrain from posting here if you have nothing to contribute or please contribute in a language that a mere mortal can understand ?

dznnf7 thanks for the reply.
I looked into the other 20 cals offerings, but the multiple forming steps and magazine feeding issues are a turn off, not to mention the price of the brass you need to form them from.
Not a fan of the 17 cal.
Have had no issues killing coyote with the 40Gr V max and I have a lot of them, so I'd like to stick with 20 cal.

Have you considered the .20 Titan? 6.5 Grendel necked down to .20. I think Todd Kindler sells brass and dies. Berger is still making their 55 grain pill in .204. Its a flat shooter. They do a big run once a year ('bout September, I think). The .20 Titan will push the 55 grainers to about 3500 fps I think. Another option is .20 BR. Saubier.com has some threads on both cartridges I think. If you want to PM me, I can send you some stuff on the .20 Tian.


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Originally Posted by Seafire
Originally Posted by BrentParker
I have a plain 20-250 with an 18" barrel. 3850 with 40 grain bibs. Would work with your bolt face. Barrel life does suffer. You could just run your .243 and go with 80 or 85 grain barnes bullets. I have used those plenty to save fur.

barrel life issues... use one of the faster powders, and load it down, such as using 25 grains of 4198, if you are using a 22.250 case...
hence why I just built the 20 Practical....

Douglas use to list a 20.250 barrel available..., which should go on a Savage 10 or Axxis with no problems.


Douglas can chamber you a .20-.250, .20 Titan and I think .20 BR. You'll want a 9 twist barrel. Love Douglas tubes.


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Originally Posted by Seafire
Originally Posted by Big Stick
scoots,

You are in soooooo very fhuqking far over your pointy head and crossed-eyes,that it is simply fhuqking MAGNIFICENT. Hint.

[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]

Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even YOU can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.

[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]

Bullets matter wayyyyyyyy more than headstamps and 20's are a bitter pill. Hint.

You are pissing up ALOTTA ropes. Hint.............

poor rejected former children or juvenile delinquents, still starved for attention in their adulthood.

It ain't easy being Schtick.... him and Kim Jung Il are long lost brothers....


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Originally Posted by xtriangle
I have a .20-250 AI that I had built a few years ago. Had it throated and twisted for the .55 grain Bergers (now discontinued). In a 22 inch barrel it was easy to get over 4000 fps but I finally settled on 3910 fps for accuracy. It is/was an absolute hammer on coyotes and whitetails. Only used H-4350 and the 55's it was easy and accurate so no need to chase something that I didn't need.
Simple process to use a Redding bushing die then fireform with 39 or 40's to save the 55's.
Only downfall was expected barrel life!!!Mine is at 837 rounds and still going strong but it is showing some erosion and cracking. Knew it when it was built but what's the use in having a race car and not going fast? It will make 1K before barrel needs to be switched so there is a lot of coyotes and whitetails still in it.
I am using a Leopold CDS and with 1 revolution you can dead hold to 712 yards.
I don't think you would be unhappy with it at all.
Several of the boutique bullet makers can hook you up for bullets but if you need few pieces of fireformed brass and bullets let me know.
Regards,
John


As stated, the Bergers are still available through Graff and Sons.


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