There seem to be more Toyota guys than ford men or chev men these days.

Spot

Mebbe so. If in the city, you see 50/50 Toy/For guys hehe. But if out in the [bleep] you see 90% more for/chev guys than toys.

Was riding around with a realtor lady down in southern va a few months ago, and this lady was driving a tahoe and I said "nice tahoe" and she said this is her third one then she said "heart heat of america"...

around here in construction you see more ford/chev/dodge than toys.

I have an 07 SCREW and it is great so far! I have had it since December and great ride. I like the Toy Tacomas though if I did not haul anything.

brand loyalty is a thing of the past

On my 2nd Toy. Just don't have the little nagging problems of the Big 3.

That's good enough reason for me to spend the money.

Until this year,I always drove gm or ford trucks.However,since I bought my 2007 Tundra,I can't see myself buying anything but Toyota from now on.




I can't agree.Brand loyalty is not as strong as it was,but it still exists,especially in rural areas.There are still a lot of people buying ford,dodge or gm trucks simply because their father and grandfather did.There are also many people that will continue to buy them because they are American owned companies,even if the vehicle itself in not made in America while the Tundra is American made.

I think brand loyalty is still around. It's the reason I swapped out my 97 Chevy for a 07 Tacoma. Based on that rig, Chevy lost my loyalty...

i would gladly swap my 04 silverado for either a 97 dodge 3/4 with a CTD or a new Tundra. why?

cause' i have replaced both front wheel bearings (one at 30k). has skipped and stumbled for the last 40k , dealer says it is ok. doors have been rusting slowly through for the last two years and dealer wont fix until they see holes. the roof bangs up and down in a cross wind. sounds like someone flopping a giant piece of tin around. the doors whistle like a bastard. the window regulators are just about shot. the fan motor has only worked on high for the last year. the rear end sounds like it is going to fall out with every up shift and down shift even. rear brakes went at 25k.

i dont trailer much and i baby the thing. run synthetics etc.. it wore everything i wanted when i found it. wont buy another for sure. if i had the cash i would buy that ctd and take this pile to the dump...

woofer

You have to remember woofer the only thing good in the CTD is the motor, the rest of the truck needs rebuilt every 30,000 miles. Thats why I got rid of mine. 106,000 miles and I cant possibly recite all the things that have replaced on that truck, from seals to suspension parts. Sure the motors good but the rest....you can have it. Mine was turning into a money pit. Loved the power of the Cummins (though I never really needed it in this last one) but I missed the long term dependability of my Toyotas the whole I time I owned it. I used to dread changing the oil because thats when I would find out all the repairs that it needed, got good at not looking at anything, just change oil and ignore everything else. The other kicker is how much diesel cost compared to gas these days, cant see the savings in teh 2-3 mpg with the .10-.20 cent higher prices. Thats just my take, and even wen I drove the Dodge I was still a TOYOTA guy!

I have no loyalty. I've had Toyota's and loved them, and had Fords and hated them. Right now I drive a Dodge, because it was the best value in 3/4 ton diesels. Must say I am impressed with the current state of quality of this truck, but I'd look hard at a Toyota if they would just build a real 3/4 ton or bigger truck with a real diesel. Once you take a truck to 270,000 miles without doing ANY work on it other than wear items, and then only at a rate 1/3rd of the domestics, you remember....... JMO, Dutch.

98 f250, 5.4 v8 and the waterpump finally gave out at 266,000 miles. Replaced the upper and lower ball joints at 210,000 thanks to a mechanic not greasing them. Now have Lifetime warranty ball joints.

A Ford success story!

The Chevy Caprice that I bought new went 304,000 miles. The only reason that I gave it away was that that it looked shabby as it needed paint. The drivetrain was original including the transmission which only had fluid and filter changes.

Along the way our only son totaled the 1986 full frame sedan. I doubt he or his friends would have survived in a lesser car.

Thats enough for now.

There is a Ford dealership in my family and a friend owns a Nissan dealership. I still prefer Toyota, and the last 6 vehicles I've bought have been 3 Fords and 3 Toyotas. If you value build quality and reliability over interior room and torque, the japs have it nailed.

Have had 3 toyotas, and would be on my 4th if they made a 3/4 ton turbo diesel.

I prefer quality products to brand names, Toyota earned by business by the products they produce, and their service.

I have owned a 4WD pickup since 1973. Along the way there have been Chevrolets, GMC's, Dodges, and Fords. I have been driving a Tundra for the last 3 years and can't see me ever buying anything but a Toyota in the future.

I think thats the difference between the Big 3 and Toyota, with the Big 3 a guy can always get lucky and get a good one that goes 200,000 without much trouble, with Toyota most get that kind of service not just a few lucky ones. We were bullchitting one day in the firehouse and there was a couple dozen of us in (all truck owners) the room. We started talking about what everyone drove and what kind of repairs they had done to their rigs. The 1/2 dozen or so Toyota guys had never had their trucks to the dealership in the first 3 years they owned em, the same could not be said for the Dodge,Ford,and Chevy guys. Quite a few had actually had theirs towed in at least once in the first year, thats pretty sad if you ask me. Remember our climate is a little harsher on rigs than most too.

I had my toy rig for 12 years and put 140k miles on it. Other than warping the brake rotors by pulling an overloaded trailer from CA to AK, it was trouble free, until I burned a valve at 140k miles. That due to me not keeping the valves adjusted.

So far my dodge 2500 ctd that I got last thanksgiving was in the shop 3 times over a 1 month period for a coolant leak due to a broken hose clamp. There were 60 of them on backorder, so obviously a fleetwide problem. But did they bother to track down the vehicles to contact the owners? How would I rate the local dealer and dodge for customer satisfaction

I could of fixed the problem myself and saved a whole lot of grief, but hey, it's under waranty, I shouldn't have to fix my new truck. Needless to say I've been doing all my own oil changes, I wouldn't trust them to check the pressure in my tires.

I use my 4WD truck year round, but especially in the winter. I live in the snowbelt in the UP of Michigan. The snowfall totals here have run 300"+ per season, so a truck with a snowplow is pretty much essential. You just don't see the Toyota trucks, or the other foreign 1/2 ton trucks, with plows on them. Ford, Chevy and Dodge 1/2 ton trucks are being used for this purpose, but not the other 1/2 ton trucks. MI VHNTR

The first full sized Toyota,the 2007 Tundra was hasn't been available for a winter yet.

I was a ford man myself - owned more than five of them.

I got tired of them putting junk parts on them, and me having to fix the crap all the time. I couldn't aford a decent ford truck growing up, now that I can I don't want one anymore.

Spot

Your a smart man! A buddy of mine has an 06 CTD and he took his to the dealership and had the second oil change done. Dropped it off that night after the oil change at another buddies (a mechanic friend of ours with a lift at his house) so he could install a lift kit on the truck. When my buddy got up in the morning to start on Brents rig, there was an oil slick about 12 ft in diamter in his shop under Brents Dodge. Long story short, oil filter was loose as hell. Oil all along the underside of the undercarriage, Scary! If Brent hadn't taken the truck to get the lift put on theres no telling what coulda happened. And they charge how much an hour????

Have one friend who recently sold his new Toy, the big model, forgot, don't care what it's called. Third tranny in 25000 miles was all he wanted. Wife's friend sold her 1 yr old pathfinder after they couldn't get the horrible shimmy (vibration) out of the front end after being in the shop numerous times. A co-worker, 260,000 miles on his tucoma and never a stutter. I have around 230,000 miles on two dodge cummins that I use the piss out of. Only put a lift pump on one at 120,000 miles.
Do I think Toyota makes bad vehicles, absolutely not! They make great vehicles. Do chevy, dodge, ford make good vehicles? Sure, although some models better than others, same with Toyota and Nissan, etc, etc. All I'm saying is you can get a lemon no matter what brand you buy. I wouldn't judge Toyota off of one bad experience. Although I see plenty of people who do with other brands, ALaskaCub?
Does brand loyalty exist? Hell yes, Alaskacub and myself are two prime examples!

Where are you a firefighter Alaskacub? I work a medium size city here. Seven stations, all paid, about 10,000 calls a year.

Bill

Just so you understand my loyalty is not just from owning some of each, its from 6 years working in the car business running dealership service departments or at least trying to. Worked for Toyota/Subaru, Ford LM, Dodge/Crysler, and GM. That experience was way more impressionable and way more enlightening than owning a few rigs and comprising an opinion of whats best. Those were the worst days of my life, talking about fighting fires, thats all I did from 7 AM to 6 PM day in and day out. Most fun I had was working for Toyota/Subaru, folks just seemed a lot happier to own what they bought when they walked through our doors.

I work for the Army as a DOD civilian. Not a lot of action but some. Pay is very good(for what we do), as is the time off.

Well, I just fixed the weak points of my DMax and love my 2002. However, it is a long ways from stock--I.e, lifted and beefed suspension, hopped up engine, and beefed tranny just for starters. If I were buying new today and they made one, a 3/4 ton Toyota Diesel would be high on my list--assuming they hit as much of a grand slam with it as they did with the 2007 Tundra gas rig.

I ordered a 2005 Toyota Matrix to replace a 1999 Ford Escort Wagon. I was looking for a little better economy, performance and reliability. Didn't get any of those. 2004 and 2005 were Toyota's lowest reliability years. The matrix never made a 3000 mile oil change without requiring service. Dealership tried to tell me that to scan a "check engine light" at 6000 miles, I had to agree to pay $96 if it wasn't covered by warranty. Why? its Free at Autozone!
They had to replace entire serpentine belt assy at 18,000 and that night I traded it on a GMC pickup. 5 year/100,000 mile warranty. Not a single problem in one year and 13,000 miles. Knock on wood.

Could be worse, the local Dodge ripoff artist charges $70 minimum labor fee. Tighten a hose clamp on the coolant system? That'll be $70, plus shop fee.

I S#!t you not. Not buying a vehicle there, and if I can get somewhere else, they're not working on my vehicle, either.

Toyota's aren't perfect. Just google sludge and Sienna van's..... However, problems are fewer and farther between. JMO, Dutch.

Between myself and my family, we have owned over 10 Chevy full size 4x4 trucks over the last 15 years. These have been for hunting, regular drivers and ranch/farm work. I have been reading this thread, trying to think of any unscheduled maint. or repair that we have had in well over 500k of mileage on those various Chevys and I am not coming up with any. The trucks had anywhere from 40k to 140k when they were traded. For me, you can't argue with that track record. I am sure there are good trucks made by the other makers. I have a friend with a F-150 with 180k and no major problems, for example.

Ford gets my $$$$$


Mike

I'm a Ford man even though they keep screwing around with their diesels. The truck it's self is still the toughest work truck IMO. But until Ford gets their diesel straightened out, I'll keep driving my 94 F-450. I bought the wife a new Fusion so far I'm very happy.
My daily driver is a 79 Bronco.


Quite possibly the best 4x4 truck ever built.
Would I buy GM no except to re sell.
A Jap truck maybe more Samurais other than that no they don't fit my style and parts cost much.
Dodge a diesel yes gas burner no way.
Like I said I'm a Ford man, My heart is a blue oval cut me I bleed Rotunda oil.

Pat

Again, you do not see ANY foreign made trucks with snowplows on them. Toyotas of any size, Nissan, etc. You do see Jeep, the S-10, Rangers, the big three half tons and up with them. MI VHNTR

Although I live in an area where we do get harsh winters,I have never seen any truck other than a full size with a plow mounted.However,I have seen several 2007 Tundras pulling 5th wheelers and trailers,and several are being used as work trucks by companies in my area.

The first true half ton Toyota hasn't even been out for a whole winter yet. Keep your eyes open am thinking you'll start seeing them. Especially with the massive drivetrain they have in em. Everything is bigger than in its Big 3 competitors. The last Tundra was a mid size not a full size, this new one is quite impressive. I have humiliated a GM guy and a Dodge guy (w/ a Hemi) so far and wasn't really trying, think some of these guys dont realize what this truck has in it when they pull up along side me with their loud azz exhausts and start reving back and forth, I am not into street racing or anything but watching them in my rear view mirror is quite fun. One even tipped his hat to me (Dodge w/ Hemi) after I blew his doors off in a little 30-90mph sprint side by side on a straight away coming off the highway, he never got past my tailgate. I was enjoying it much! I know he was doing some research after our little encounter to figure out whats under the hood of this new Tundra, it has mucho power!

theres a 1980s toyota pickup around here with a 3 foot wide snow plow lmao. I guess he cleans up sidewalks?

The guy down the street from me has a new Tundra. I'm STILL looking to see the "massive drivetrain" in it. I still don't see what's so "impressive" about it either. The vast majority of work trucks here are Ford Super Duty's and some Chevy 2500s, but no Toyota's in any way, shape or form. MI VHNTR

I just don't see how plowing snow is the be all end all quality of a truck? Maybe the folks that drive Toyotas are smart enough to get somebody else to move the snow

Well, hang approximately 1000 pounds on the front end of the Toyota and see how long it lasts. There may be an outside chance that the Toyota drivers are smart. Perhaps they know that their trucks cannot do the job and they must get someone with a proper vehicle to move the snow. The Toyota might make a cute little grocery getter though. MI VHNTR

No kidding! I dont see very many intelligent half-ton owners attaching plows to their front ends. In our area that is done with 3/4 tons and bigger trucks. I dont need a snow plow on my truck , never considered buying one. I push snow with the 4 wheeler and or we dont plow at all. The roads are plowed by the DOT guys which is paid for by my taxes. Didn't know that snow plow attachment capability was a primary selling point in 1/2 ton pick ups, unless of course thats your business and if it is a half-ton wouldn't be a very smart option.

AlaskaCub, you brag about the Toyota construction, its "massive drivetrain" (a joke right?), the power it has, along with your street racing "conquests" and that they'll soon be sporting snowplows on them. Then you backpeddle like a DB in prevent coverage. Maybe buying a Tundra isn't that smart of an idea after all. There are enough intelligent 1/2 ton truck buyers here that actually use their 1/2 trucks to move snow. They don't buy a little 4 wheeler to do it, because their truck cannot. They actually also tow and haul with the same truck! Heck, if you can't use it as a truck, what good is it? Again, a "cute" little grocery getter and nothing more. That's a real big selling point, isn't it? MI VHNTR

I am willing to bet that any 1/2 ton Toyota truck can and will be able to do anything that one of the Big 3's 1/2 ton trucks will do. I am also fairly certain that anyone with half a brain for how to properly operate a vehicle in the situations you outline above, will do equally well with any of the given trucks.

I think, and in my experience with the small trucks (I know, I know no actual experience with 1/2 tons and that's what we're talking about) the Toyota's will and do everything the Big 3 trucks do, they just seem to do them with a lot less down time and maintenance costs. Your milage may vary, but in my experience this is where the difference lies and why my dollars go to Toyota when it comes to buying a truck.

It seems that Toyota has a better grasp on engineering and quality control (their trucks are made in America by Americans just like the Big 3) that the big 3 just don't seem give a damn about. When Ford, GM or Dodge can make a truck that doesn't bother me on a daily basis with little nagging problems, then they stand a good chance of seeing my dollars again.

a toyota last no longer then anything else and if you get a big engine in a toyota you will get poor mileage. they can't build a v8 that gets any mileage. you guys say american made toyota,but you are still feeding the foriegners. at least my mexico built chevy sends profits to detroit. BUY AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!! AND START HELPING YOUR COUNTRY BEFORE ITS TO LATE.

Chevrolet or GMC.

I switched last year and couldn't be happier.

Terry

Working on my third Toyota in 22 years,,, all great trucks,,, my dads 2000 3/4 ton dodge diesel 4x4 was his dream truck, and was a lemon in a big way,,, windshield leaked,,, brakes locked on any kind of hill, dash lights shorted out, off road it was a major let down,,,, I pulled it out twice with my 1990 toy 4x4,,,,

late in 2000 I went to get a new truck, my 1990 had been all over Alaska, most of the Lower 48 and Mexico with 230,000 miles. Other than maintenence it had a new timing chain at 120,000 and 210,000. Ran the origional rear brake pads till 190,000 or so. Replaced a tranny bearing at 210 as well. Dad wanted to buy it then and is still driving it, close to 250,000 now, low on power with the well used 4 banger but purrs on. Motor, tranny, AC, all still going.

I need a new one now so I have room for my kids car seats in the back,,, will be a Toyota 4 door,,, big or small.

And I used that 1990 hard, off road and hauling, put extra springs on the rear to handle the weight and kept going,,,,hauled alot of building stone for several years.

Anyone know when we should change our timing chains? Ford said its a non maintence part. Truck is a 98 ford 5.4 with 267,000 miles. No problems starting or anything, i just found it to be odd that they dont need to be changed out that often like the old engines did.

And what rock are you living under???????? Toyota trucks have more American parts in them than Ford, Dodge, and Chevy. FACT! And how many TENS OF THOUSANDS of Americans are putting food on their table, clothes on their children's back, money back into the American economy with their earnings from working in Toyota plants in the United States? Man, duhhhhhhhhhhh! And don't give me that crap about Japan making money from selling their vehicles made in America and sold to Americans. They are a Japanese company for God's sake. They sell vehcles all over the world. And oh, by the way, so does the U. S. Do you think they take about NOT buying U.S. vehicles in Japan? Probably not, and could care less. Toyota is no. 1 in sales world wide (because they sell a good product) and 2nd in the U.S.,(soon to take over no. 1). And with an unmatched reliability record like Toyota vehicles, why would anyone with 1/2 a brain not think that their trucks couldn't hang with the inferior built, unreliable Big 3 vehicles. Hello!!!!!, they already do. Wake up boys!!They are just built better. FACT! What proof do YOU have to new, big engine, Toyota trucks not getting good gas mileage. You don't. Well, here is some proof. I own a new 07 Tundra with the big 5.7 l engine. With 2500 miles on my new truck, I'm averaging 17 mpg all around. On a trip last month to West Virginia, I got 20.7 mps. FACT! Try that with a Hemi. I have friends with Dodges and they are getting about 10/12 mpg. I sold my 01 Tundra to a guy who had a Dodge Dakota. Boy did he take a step up. He was getting about 12 mpg. He couldn't believe the power of my 01 Tundra (with a smaller engine) compared to his Dakota. He was happy to have my 01 Tundra with more power and was getting 18 mpg with it too. And try getting $17,000 out of your used, 6 year old Ford, Dodge or Chevy. This is my 3rd Toyota truck and my wife is on her 3rd Camry. They have all been bullet proof. I've owned Ford, Dodge and GM produces. Never again. BUY TOYOTA, that's a no brainer. I am tickled to death to have a 381 hp, stock, hemi eating Tundra getting 17 mpg on the average. You big 3 owners just need to escape your tunnel vision mentality, take your head's out of the sand and face the music. Toyota is in the truck business big time, and here to stay. And the big 3 are feeling it too. Any you guys just cant' stand it, can you? I can tell, as your comments confirm. Truth really hurts, doesn't it boys! Toyota hit a home run with their new Tundra. That truck is overbuilt in every way from bumper to bumper. Get used to it, and GET OVER IT. Respond with all your redneck negative comments. Fine, bring it on. I don't care, as that won't bother me at all. I only know when I drive to work in my new 2007 Toyota Tundra, and pass guys with their Fords, Dodges, and Chevys, I'm in envy of NO ONE. Go Toyota.
Hunter01

Toyota has more American parts in it than a truck from the Big 3? Says who? You? Now here's a reliable and unimpeachable source. Your post sounds like a freaking Toyota employee is quoting a Toyota ad. Overseas sales? Perhaps you're not too well versed on Japan's tariffs on imported vehicles. You should read up on them before you make such ludicrous statements of "FACT". Since the rest of the "FACTS" posted are pure, unadulterated BS, why would anyone believe the "built better" and the mileage claims that are posted as "FACT". Overbuilt, bumper to bumper? Cute little grocery getter is more like it.

"why would anyone with 1/2 a brain not think that their trucks couldn't hang with the inferior built, unreliable Big 3 vehicles. Hello!!!!!, they already do. Wake up boys!!They are just built better. FACT!"


You really think that the Toyota is built better and more powerful than all of the Big 3 trucks? My neighbor with the new Tundra did too. He shot his mouth off like some others and I finally had enough of the hype and BS. So I asked to take my neighbor's Tundra for a "little ride". I put out a 30 foot chain with one end hooked up to my Ford truck and told him to hook the other end to his "massive drivetrain" equipped and "powerful engine", towing monster of a Toyota. It seems that he didn't feel as strongly that his 07 Tundra with the big 5.7 l engine could tow, or outwork, my Ford truck. I had just a few words for him after he chickened out and refused to back up his silly claims. I told him that if he was foolish enough to attempt it, that he'd get to experience what it feels like being in a tin can while being towed behind a truck. Like I had said earlier, cute little grocery getter. Nothing more. MI VHNTR

IIRC timing chains are done at around 120k.

Spot

....I'm not sure what truck I'll buy next. First I'll have to wear out my Chevy ,it's a 1969 stepside model,straight six, stick-shift. I get more interest in it now than I ever did driving it years ago. I call it "Woodstock" since it was brand new that year...I never owned a Toyota truck but did have a Datsun 'little hustler' (a 74 model) that I really liked it's style and lightweight. The engine gave out on it,I'd hoped to put a small block Chevy in it, but before I did a huge limb fell on it and sent it to the 'graveyard' for old trucks.

381 horses to drive around in a city seems like over kill...

The only reason America doesn't do the same thing with tariffs is the fact that American Politicians are whores for the kick back money from outside investors.

Same reason all the good paying, middle class, blue collar American jobs are now in India, China, Mexico and the like. Throw enough money at a whore and they will make things happen.

Look at the airlines, their owners are fat cats and the companies can't turn a profit. Squeal a little bit and threaten to shut down the transprotation in this country and the government comes in and bails them out.

It's just finally being realized by the American automakers that this is the way to go, all the profits without the production costs!!! So now, that UAW worker who loved his job and didn't have to worry about anything because the company will take care of them is out on his azz stocking shelves at Wal-mart trying to keep the bill collectors at bay.

It's a beautiful system that we elect them to run. It's just too bad that the average American citizen doesn't care. The minute someone says anything about taking guns away, there's a huge uproar. Did anyone ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe this is a distraction so that no one sees all this other crap happening????

That's the real problem here folks, like it or not, in a couple of years this country will be pre revolution France. Where the rich got richer and the poor got poorer.

A "free society" that cannot and will not do anything to help themselves. America, land of the free and ignorant.

Yep, sure do and your silly chain story proves nothing. Further more, if you drive a 1/2 ton from any maker all you have is a "cute little grocery getter" with a bed on it.

Terry

Anyone with a brain and a new truck payment would'nt play tugawar with a new truck, geeezzz,,, unless ya had a field full of slick mud,,, then it could be fun but messy, and then the best tires would win.........

sure like that silver 4 door posted above, that the larger rear cab model?

Your reply proves that people get sucked in by the hype printed in the papers and shown on tv. P.T. Barnum said it best. I just called the Toyota owner out on his wild claims. If his truck was as superior as he claimed, there'd be no contest. Reality can be a real eye opener though. It sure was for him and his little grocery cart. Furthermore, I own a Ford truck. I never specified which model. MI VHNTR

You think so? Well if it makes you feel better it's fine with me.

Terry

Exactly what I thought.... There goes another one. MI VHNTR

i'll take a buick over anything else on the road. Wish they'd start makin trucks.

What do you guys think about Kabota diesel engines?

Little man complex

Coming from you, that really hurts. It's too bad that you've got your panties in a bunch. Oh well... MI VHNTR

bigblock455, what if Volkswagen brought back the THING? There was a different type of vehicle. A Buick truck....Hmmm

All one has to do is read the thread and it becomes painfully obvious what a fool and an assclown you really are. I could go on but no need to argue with a retard on the net. You mean less than nothing to me.


Terry

PPosey, I agree with you and TC1. Just remember that with MIVHNTR, you're dealing with a guy who shows he has a brain the size of a pea (his comments confirm that), and that he has obvious issues. With the maturity of a preschool child, who can reason with that infant. He is so predicable with his responses. I knew from the get go, it would be easy to push his buttons, and get him all fired up. What a child, like you said. He has no idea how much embarrassment he saved himself when he didn't get to have a pull off with a Tundra. Like you said, "who with half a brain", yep, that's MIVHNTR alright. He needs to go on YouTube and type in: Tundra vs Ford, then Tundra vs Chevy, then Tundra vs Dodge. In every cash he'd see pull offs with those trucks. They were set up with similar tires, etc. That little 'shopping cart' of a Tundra pulled his big bad ford backwards across the parking lot like a cardboard box. As did the Tundra to the Dodge and Chevy. Of course he probably won't accept or believe that either. Funny too, I never heard him say anything about the good gas mileage all the new Tundra owners are getting. And nothing about the great resale value of the Toyotas compared to Ford, Dodge and Chevy. This is a guy who thinks Japan gets all the money made selling Toyota cars and trucks in America. He thinks all the folks making a good living working in American Toyota plants have to send half of their pay check to Japan. GM lost 12.6 BILLION dollars last year, and ford lost 8 BILLION. Hummmmmmm, that must come from having such great cars and trucks. Toyota made millions last year. Last month Consumer Report tested 7 trucks. The Tundra, the Chevy gas, Chevy diesel, Ford gas and ford diesel, Dodge gas (hemi) and Dodge diesel. To no surprise to me the Tundra tested 1st over all the othere. Chevy was second, ford a distant 3rd, and Dodge, dead last. The test also showed the Tundra had a more standard equipment than the others and had the lowest sticker price. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, MIVHNTR probably has another stupid statement for all that too. Just remember who/what you're dealing with in him. Just consider the source. After all, he did say he drives a ford.

I just put him on my "ignore this fool" list and he went away. He's in good company though. I've got 3 trolls in there now. (grin)

Terry

Hey TC1, now there is an idea. Ignore! But he's so much fun and easy to tick off. He's my evening entertainment. haha. By the way, I'm in his head, and I already know what his next move will be. If he only knew who he was talking to. I've spent the last 29 years getting into other's heads and figuring out what make people tick. He's such a puppet. So easy to manipulate.

TC1 and hunter01, you're both real he men. OVER THE INTERNET, of course. The name calling really hurts too.

hunter01, more than likely you've been GIVING head for the last 29 years, but that's the extent of it. You're the one that's relentlessly regurgitating the Toyota mantra like a rabid dog. It appears that you are the one being manipulated and it's not only by Toyota. LOL! Since you've both hit the IGNOR(e)ant button, neither of you will reply. Right. MI VHNTR

*** You are ignoring this user ***

I can only imagine the venom



Terry

you guys just keep buying foriegn auto's and leting them take over our country. by not carrying you have aloud them to take over everything. don't complain when they own you in the next few years.

Hey, with your favorite "hard working" UAW members going on strike, there's not going to be any other choice.

Union workers keep thinking it's normal for me to pay for their every wish. Keep on dreaming, buddy. You had the US consumer over a barrel for 50 years; now you are learning that payback is, in fact, hell.

There's no reason why GM must build a single car in the US in 10 years. They do fine overseas. Close it down, and tell all of the union heroes to just make it without the big three. JMO, Dutch.

srwshooter, ever hear the term "one world economy"? There are no more American car companies. They're assembled here from parts made all over the world. Many American cars aren't even made in America anymore. They are made in Canada and Mexico with parts made all over the world. Chrysler is owned by a German company. The symbol for Toyota is TM, it trades on the NYSE and is going for about $115 a share today. It's a company that assembles trucks right here in America,,,,,from parts made all over the world (see a trend here.) I own a little stock in the company and you can too. That officially makes it an American owned company to me. BTW, your point would have been a valid one 25-30 years ago.

Dutch, I would love to see the big3 thrive again, but I have no doubt they did this to themselves, not the union.

Strong unions are a by product of poor management.

Terry

Too funny. So what does buying a mexican/canadian/american (big 3) vehicle do for the economy? If the big 3 made the best vehicles in the world, there would be no room for foreign companies to make inroads.

Our country isn't being taken over, it's being given away, by politiceans and ceo's.

Look what happened to the 1911 market when Kimber came along. They introduced a great product at a competitive price and dominated. Toyota has been doing the same thing, and the American people have come to appreciate the product for what it is.

Man that should be framed.Good post 458.

at least the profits don't head straight to japan you fool.just keep buying that damn japanese junk.may as well vote for clinton to huh.

The only jap stuff I own is fourwheeler.

The profits go to people that own stock in the company which is listed on the NYSE. You can buy Toyota stock and reap some of these profits for yourself if you like (and have enough $$$ to buy some stock.) It's easy to see you have a simple mind and it's very hard for you to grasp such things, but it's a publicly traded company not owned by any goverment. Clinton eh? strange comment to put in the middle of a Toyota thread but hey, it makes about as much scence as anything else you've written. Please make a Pearl Harbor comment too. This thread wouldn't be complete without it

Terry

im with 7 stw on this one

IIRC neither ford or chevy will honor warranty on 1/2 ton pickups if you put a plow on them.Need a 3/4 ton.
If you dont want to own a toyota then dont test drive one.

That about sums it all up right there

Terry

every one i know that has bought a new toy has had nothing but problems with the drive train,trans,engines etc. my main reason for hating toyota's is that my business partner owns one ,when i have to ride with him we're always wondering IF we'll get to work today,because its broke down 5 times in a year, and its still under warranty. its a piece of s--t like all of them. i just keep hauling it in with my chevy........

That's odd. Of the last three I owned,all they ever needed was brakes, oil, and a timing belt at 100K. This was with two different model V6's and a four-banger.

I've never known anyone who bought one that had troubles with it.

One of the big reasons I switched is because one day at work I was playing around on the Kelly blue book site. A co-worker ask me to run his truck because it was about trade in time for him. It was a 4yr old Toyota 4WD kingcab with 75000 mi on it. After I ran his I ran mine, a 1yr old Dodge Ram quadcab with the 20" wheels and hemi engine with about 8000 mi it. Guess who truck was worth more money? Later that year my bother decided he wanted a another truck. He's the type that hates to buy new. He likes to find them about a year old and let the 1st buyer take the "big hit". He wanted a Tundra this time, so off he went. After about a month of looking I got a call from him. He wanted to come by the house and show me his new truck. He pulls into the driveway with a brand new tundra. I asked him why he didn't buy a used one like he alway's does. He said there was less than a $1K difference in a new one and a good used one.

Just one of the many advantages to owning a Toyota.

Terry

Those new Tundras are something else! Saw one at the State Fair demo they had set up.... Whatever your brand choice be glad when the other guys are making good products. It only causes your brand of choice to have to work harder and make your preferred truck even better!

I would sure love to see a 3/4 ton Diesel Tundra... It would be good for consumers and make the big 3 make even better trucks.

GMC has the Allison Transmission, Dodge has the Cummins.... A lot of people argue that a combo of those two would be one heck of a truck. Love em or hate, Toyotas just seem to be built better, they seem to pay more attention to detail. On the other hand the big 3 trucks seem more suited for heavy duty work.

Interesting debate, wouldn't want everyone driving the same truck. Competition is good!

Oh yeah, snow plow on any 1/2 ton?

a friend of mine once owned a tundra. He traded it in for a f350 due to the toyota not hauling 500lbs of oil for [bleep]. Plus 13mpg pissed him off lol.

BIG difference between a F350 and a Tundra. He probably would not have been happy with a F150 or C1500 either. MPG really varies on trucks as most of us have different driving styles, probably a larger factor than the actual truck. Check out the diesel forums, pretty big range of MPG on same brand trucks. I see a lot of guys dumping a lot of fuel as they charge off the line at a Stop Light..... I heard the best way to increase MPG is to keep the RPMs down... Pretty good point, I thougt.

The new Silverados and the Tundras both get decent mileage for a truck. They keep getting better as Technology increases. The new Tundras and the new Chev/GMCs are great for truck fans. As I said before any improvements by any of the players makes the others work harder.

IMO, MPG today still sucks. A renalt of the 1950s got 40mpg. a 93 dodge colt got over 45mpg. A truck witha 6 speed tranny and getting 18mpg is horrible.

But the truck weighs 3 times as much, and pushes alot more air out of the way! If you want something big, you gotta put fuel in it. If you want mileage, you'll be driving a go-kart.

74 chevy 3500 4x4,4 door, 1969 430 big block buick, 4 speed, 3.73 rearend that gets 14mpg pulling a 6500lbs through the san juan mountains is good MPG. An empty truck with a 6 speed thats gets 18mpg on the highway is crap. That 430 my friend has is putting out over 400 horses and 500ft lbs torque. It will beat out any gas engine production truck on the market including the toyota when it comes to hauling a load. Todays mpg are crap for all the new technology we have on the market. Could you imagine the MPG he'd get if he installed a 6 speed manual?!

All he did to that 430 was install an RV cam and some glass packs. Everything else is stock on the motor.

Got one little dirty word for you..............





Emissions..................
Not to mention the current 3/4 & 1 ton trucks all weigh in at 7-8.5k lb.
Still like to see ANY gasser pulling weight through the mountains get 14 mpg. Not saying its impossible, just that I'd like to see it.........

Yeah, there are 1/2 Ton Ford, Chevrolet, Dodge and GMC trucks here with snowplows on them. Can't say the same for the Toyota trucks.... MI VHNTR

we're talking a 1/2 ton tundra not a 3/4 ton or 1 ton that weight 7 - 8k.

He himself was surprised but he did what most guys dont do. He didnt keep his foot to the floor. It amazes me at how many people keep their foot to the floor and just over fuel and gain no speed or anything. Plus they like to ride high rpm's so they can "show off" haha im going faster than you while pulling a trailer.

Whats REALLY scary is when you see these fools hauling a 21- 28' camper with a 1/2 ton and doing 80 mph and you just watch that trailer sway. I dont know what gets into these fools.

i would like a 4cyl turbo diesel/6spd auto in a crew with a 6'box. i want the dependability of a toyota (i am not going to argue this point! they win if your comparing 88' up, i dont care what you drive this is my post ). i would like a chevy ride. ford undercarriage and a cummins motor/allison tranny (i know isuzu etc but again it is my post).

call it a heavy half with decent brakes (drum in back please) and a good tow rating. keep the weight down at the 1/2 ton mark. i would like 25-30 hwy. i would like not to see any rust for 5 years (listening chevy?) i dont need a zillion horsepower. in fact if my top speed was 85 i would be happy forever (geared down with a tall 5/6 gear).

i can put 6 people in it.tow a reasonable sized trailer. i can fit tools in the box (carpenter). and, i can afford to drive it as a primary vehicle.....

dont want a 1/2 ton claiming to be a 3/4. dont want a 8000lb truck to haul my tools/small trailer around.

simple...

woofer

Not too bad for a wish list. I'd be happy with a slightly beefed version of the current 4dr Tacoma with a 4cyl turbo diesel and a 6spd manual. I totally agree on the current trend with 1/2 tons. My shortbox F150 weighs about 6,000lbs with a driver and a full tank. I wonder why the mileage sucks?

yup, the taco was what i had in mind. just want more cab room for 6 people.... those fords were dogs in the MPG.. the pair i had astounded me with the lousy mileage... had a 302 and a 351. neither showed a lick of promise

woofer

There was a post on here some time back where a guy posted a website of a late 90's early '00 chevy 1500 with an isuzu turbo diesel getting over 30mpg. The motor swapped right in. He just had to weld up new frame mounts.

I'd love to put a 4 cylinder isuzu turbo diesel into my isuzu rodeo with the 5 speed.That sucker would be awesome. Im getting a little over 27mpg when i keep it at 55. Imagine what that diesel would get doing 55?

You just don't get it do you? So I won't waste my time on you explaining things. You r a sick man. "Before it is to late." Right!!!! An the folks from Mars are coming to get us all next week too. The world is going to end next Tuesday too.

P. S. You need to learn how to spelllllll bettterr.....

Ditto, TC1. Double ditto..............(:

I think the new Tundra is awesome and if Toyota hits as much of a homerun with a 3/4 ton turbo diesel as it did with the Tundra, the Big Three will be reeling hard.

However, has anyone else seen the picture of the set-up for the Tundra commercials? Would anyone like to guess which pick-ups were used to haul equipment to the photo shoot? IIRC, I saw Dmaxes, Cummins, and old Powerstrokes................

I am not a brand loyalist. I've owned GM, Ford, Acura, and Honda vehicles. I've probably logged more miles on Honda cars (over 400k) than anything else and in nearly over 400k miles between three cars I've had exactly one "break down." I bought a Ford F150 FX4 in December of 2003 and now nearly 4 years later after the warranty has expired the rear axle limited slip clutches are shot. This is a truck that is supposed to be heavy duty and only has 24k miles on it. Absolutely pathetic in my opinion. I've really enjoyed this truck and I am not giving up on it yet, but this certainly leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

That being said, I also know a person that had a Tundra bought back because it was plagued with brake problems and another Tundra owner that had manifold and transmission problems (both out of warranty) that were extremely expensive to fix. I guess some folks have luck and some don't.

Yes, they are mechanical, and like all machines, things will/do go wrong with them. Some have more problems than others, some have less. For instance, the No. 1 rated vehicle for dependability, the Lexus, still had 124 mechanical problems per 100 vehicles. And that is the MOST reliable rated vehicle. So yes, they are machines, and mechanical things do break and/or wear out. It is called friction between moving parts.

Buzz, is your F150 an '04 model? If so, there should be a Service Bulletin out in regards to the clutch packs in the rear diff. This was a big problem with that year model and a lot of trucks had the shuddering/groaning at 5,000-10,000 miles. Check any Ford truck forum. My '04 is in the shop right now for the same problem, although mine started at 40,000 miles. The head of the service dept said he sees this a lot. If I were you, I would be sure to ask about the TSB regarding clutch packs and why you should have to pay for a known problem/faulty part.

JPro - sent ya a PM.

That's just pure bullsh!t. Sorry. But get real.

Sean, it would be awesome to shove those words down your throat and show you what that buick motor can do. When a motor is putting over 400 horses at only a little over 4600rpm and just a touch over 500 ft lbs torque @ 2900rpm, you dont work that motor nowhere near as hard as you do with todays production 5,000 rpm + motor.

BTW, a 1969 GS " the motor was donated from a wrecked gs " Got 14mpg with a 3 speed auto. And that was in a car that weighed over 4000lbs.

I guess you will have to shove them down my throat, also. Your example of how that motor got to 400 horses is BS. Is your claim based on SAE figures, at the flywheel, corrected numbers???

Wait! Wait! Before you answer I need to put on my BS proof watch.

Fresh rebuild with rv cam and the bowls cleaned up "heads"
They made 370 at the crank stock.

Do you even know what corrected numbers mean? It is interesting when someone challenges your BS that "may" actually have a clue (no offense to prior posters), we start drifting down from 400. One small challenge and we are down to 370 now.

No read again moron. They made 370 horses STOCK. All hes done was add an rv cam" dont know cam info" and clean up the bowls, and tune it while the motor was on the dyno.

Moron, huh. You are a riot. That is the best you can do is an ad hominem response (look it up). The engine wasn't dynoed (most likely), you weren't there for the build, you are speculating at what you wish the numbers would be off of pure bench racing experience.

Heres the truck. Im waiting for him to email more pics.
Ugly color i think

Truck originally had a 454 , 270 horse power i think and would get 6mpg hauling his trailer with his '70 gs on it.

It just kills you to know that a vintage motor such as a 430 that can put down real #'s at low rpm kills toyota, chevy, ford and dodge, gasoline engines.

Now if these buick gearheads could figure out a way to put an fuel inj. setup on these motors, we'd have it made.

How was toyota dyno their motors? Exhaust manifolds off?

No, it doesn't "kill" me in any way. I know what you are claiming, what they are capable of, and how you are changing your story on the fly.

Your words.

"That 430 my friend has is putting out over 400 horses and 500ft lbs torque.....All he did to that 430 was install an RV cam and some glass packs. Everything else is stock on the motor."

Morphed into.

"Fresh rebuild with rv cam and the bowls cleaned up "heads"
They made 370 at the crank stock."

FYI. RV cams are not designed for higher horsepower, they modify the lift and duration to change the torque curve to better suit towing applications. Must have been those glass packs that did it now that I think about it.

You still don't know what "corrected numbers" mean, do you? I figured you would have Googled it by now.

ROTFLMAO

rv cams are for towing. Thats what he needed the truck for. 6mpg with the 454 was killing him on a drive from durango colo. to casper wyo. I'll get all the info on the truck in a few days. Hes out scouting for this years elk hunt.

I still wish buick would go back to their engine designs and really put a big foot into the truck market. No gasoline engines to this day can match the torque those monsters made.Ah well, thats ow gm is killing themselves.

You mean like the 502ci GM crate motor that you can buy new today that produces 512 ft. lbs. of torque at a mere 2800 rpm. Not to bad for their base "towing" engine on 87 octane pump gas.

cast iron 455 buick, 510 ft lbs @ 2800, Over 400 horses @ 4600rpm, and the best thing, it only weighed 610 lbs in cast iron side trim! With what they have out today, you can knock 60-70 lbs by swapping on alum heads and 35bs with an alum intake. 502 i believe is close to 800lbs.

Theres a guy on a buick forum that bought a chevy with a 502 and hes getting 6mpg empty lol. Not bad huh.

So...what happened to your claim that no gasoline engines to this day can match the torque numbers those monsters made? The engine I listed is their towing motor, not their "muscle car" performanc engine. The 455 Buick is an excellent engine. Too bad you are being associated with it and tarnishing it's luster.

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10001_10002_760849_-1_10763

wow! 338 horses from a 502?!!! All for $5300

Intake, carb, exe not included.

Maybe chevy should let buick design their heads and get some good flowing heads.

# Compression ratio of 8.75:1
# 92 octane recommended

You don't have to run 92 octane with a low compression engine. I figured you knew that. Mebbe I'm giving you too much credit. It still shoots another one of your claims down.

Be well. I'll let someone else have fun with you. I hope you win your bench racing division this year. The season is winding down.

they recommend it. Its better to use anyways. I had a low compression 71 skylark witha 350 and it deff. ran better with 91 octane.

As for me a racer. Not even close, parted both 71 skylarks and a 53 ford.

Im looking for my dream car, 1964 skylark covert. and/or a 66-67 buick GS.

Longbob-You might as well give up,and stop wasting your time.He either doesn't appear to comprehend,or simply won't admit the difference between brake horsepower quoted in the 1960 to 1970 era compared to the net horsepower as rated today.It's no use even trying to educate him because he is so closed minded that he won't learn.To top it off,he is so stubborn that he won't admit that he is wrong even if you prove it to him.

so how does toyota dyno their motors? exhaust mans. off with no exhaust? Bet if you were to put a ota on a dyno you'd find that you are not even getting that 381 horses at the wheels.

Since you don't know the answer to that question,you obviously have no clue as to the current SAE horsepower rating standard..Below is a link that might help.It explains why the pre 1972 ratings were so much higher than the 1972 and later ratings.Common sense will also tell you that if you have a 1971 or older engine with 350 rated horsepower,and compare it to a current engine with an SAE rated net horsepower of 350,the newer engine will actually produce much more power in the vehicle.

http://neptune.spacebears.com/opine/horsepwr.html



Again you show your great lack of knowledge on the subject.All SAE net ratings are taken at the flywheel not at the rear wheels.This was also the case with pre 1972 engines including Buick.If you researched a bit more on the topic before posting,you wouldn't make yourself look so foolish.

Were I had a problem with the story is basically your friend claimed the gas mileage and there is no way verify such a claim because of the format we're participating in. I've run into this before. A co-worker swears his truck gets 28 MPG on the highway. I say there is no way and he is seriously exaggerating. His next move to validate his claim is he wants to bet me a $100. I tell him "ok, but here is how we are going to do the math and I'll be in the truck to verify the results." He doesn't want to bet anymore. (grin)

Terry

I agree with you on the HP rating. It is nice to know there are still some guys in here (you) who know enough about things to make an intelligent converstation. It would be nice to have some place we can go where we didn't have to deal with so many idiots. One guys says: 'a Tundra couldn't pull 500 lbs. of oil, and only got 13 mps.' Well gas mileage depends on a lot of things, and my motorcycle could pull 500 lbs. And he wants us to believe a truck with a V8 engine won't move 500 lbs. Tells us a lot about a person. Then there is the idiot who doesn't think a Tundra will be able to move/plow snow. Well, first off, they were just introduced in early spring. Haven't even been around for their first full winter. Plus, who in their right mind would think a truck with as much weight, and more HP wouldn't be able to plow snow, when less powerful trucks (Dodge,Chevy,GMC,ford) have been doing it for years. That isn't coming from a very reasonable, objective, open mind. Of course mivhntr has showed us proof he's not to smart. Every time he opens is childish mouth he tells the world what a stupid punk he is.

Yep the Toys are too small to plow snow effectively, but the way my driveway is set up it's what I've always used. driveway is almost a 1/4 mile now. It eats up clutches though cause of how I have to push it off the edge, lots of backing up and going forward again.

I've owned brand new Chevy's, Fords (never a Dodge) and used Toys, i'm not brand loyal to much, but Toys earned it from me.

and you're right they are grocery getters, I took my old 87 Toy (before it got totaled when a lady t-boned me) places that one of the big 3 wouldn't fit or would bog down because of the weight to hunt with. Plus driving it up the haul road every year for about 8-10 years back in the day when "road" was a loose term to describe that drive.

I'm eventually going to buy a used standard cab model and put a full size plow on it and not even register it, just keep it on the place for pushing snow in winter.

but the Toyotas have served me well above and beyond what they were designed to do.

I'm as patriotic as the next guy, but the jap engineers have blown our boys outa the water or how they assemble them or something.

Talk to lots of folks up here and AKCub is correct this is hard country on vehicles, the oldest stuff around still running are old Toy trucks and Subaru station wagon thingys. They may not be glamorous, but they are the Timex's of the auto world.

Too many folks have to take the big 3 back in right away to fix chit that shoulda been right in the first place.

It's a slam dunk imo&e, perhaps YMMV.

but truthfully if you can't realize Toy has consistently made a better product than the big 3 for the last 25 years or so tells me your either full of chit or got your head somewhere looking for where the chit comes from. (grin)

btw along with my Toys I always keep a GMC 3/4 ton around as well, have had good luck with them, but they ain't no Toyota.

Guys, I'm a Toyota owner and a Z-71 owner and I've had great luck with both. My question is, how do you explain the huge increase in recalls lately by Toyota? Is it a big concern, or just one of those inevitable things? I'm really just curious, as I'm impressed with the new Tundra, and equally impressed with the new Z-71. By the way, my Tundra has 171,000, and my '01 Z-71 has 153,000....both with routine brake changes only.

I own a 2007 Tundra,and to date there have been no recalls on this truck.


On the other hand,my previous four trucks were all made by GM.I received no recalls on any of them,but there were some problems that were so widespread,that recalls should have happened.Instead GM simply chose to replace the parts until the warranty expired.Perhaps Toyota is just more concerned about actually fixing problems that crop up.

yep news to me too, but I'm looking forward to when I need to make my next truck purchase.

Am thinking by the time it's time to get rid of the 02 GMC, Toyota will have a 3/4 ton on the market, if they can maintain the reliability of the little trucks in application to their big trucks, odds are they'll get more of my loot.

GM liable to be on strike anyway. (grin)

I'd also agree that Toyota is good about recalls to fix problems, can't say the big 3 is as concerned about service and customer satisfaction. I had two recalls for my 93 toy truck, head gaskets and a steering arm. I'm suprised I didn't blow the head gasket when I towed a massively overloaded 14' trailer from CA to AK. I did burn a valve in the engine due to not adjusting them when I should have, at 140k miles, but when I pulled the top end, the bottom end looked great, certainly good for another 100k miles.

I too hear about all these Toyota recalls. I'm on my 3rd Toyota truck, (97 T100, 01 Tundra, 07 Tundra) and have never received any recall notices on any of them. I did hear about a Tundra reall in about 02 dealing something with brakes, but it didn't involve my vehicle. My wife is on her 3rd Camry too, and no recalls on them either. But, there are tons of recalls out there all the time. A lot more than folks realize. I also heard talk of Toyota coming out with a diesel made by Caterpillar. Don't know if there is anything to it, but I'll bet that would spark the interest of many if they came out with a 3/4 ton diesel. Maybe in a dual wheel job too???? We'll see!!!

I agree! Pushing snow proves WHAT about a truck????? Or does it tell us more about the driver??? It sure is hard on the front-ends and transmission.

hunter01, brilliant observation.

RECALL: 2004-2006 Toyota Tundra
NHTSA Campaign Number: 07V013000 www.nhtsa.dot.gov

Manufacturer TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, INC.
Recall Date: JAN 18, 2007
Potential Number Of Units Affected: 533124

Description SUSPENSION:FRONT:CONTROL ARM:LOWER BALL JOINT
Summary ON CERTAIN TRUCKS AND MINI VANS, DUE TO POSSIBLE IMPROPER FINISHING OF THE FRONT SUSPENSION LOWER BALL JOINT, SOME BALL JOINTS MAY EXPERIENCE AN INCIDENTAL DETERIORATION OF THE INTERNAL LUBRICATION. THIS MAY CAUSE THE BALL JOINT TO WEAR AND LOOSEN PREMATURELY, WHICH COULD RESULT IN INCREASED STEERING EFFORT, REDUCED VEHICLE SELF-CENTERING, AND NOISE IN THE FRONT SUSPENSION.
Consequence IN EXTREME CASES, IF THE VEHICLE IS CONTINUOUSLY OPERATED IN THIS CONDITION, THE LOWER BALL JOINT MAY SEPARATE FROM THE KNUCKLE AND COULD CAUSE A LOSS OF VEHICLE CONTROL.
Remedy DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE FRONT SUSPENSION LOWER BALL JOINTS. THE RECALL BEGAN ON FEBRUARY 28, 2007. OWNERS MAY CONTACT TOYOTA AT 1-800-331-4331.



The name calling really hurts too. BTW, still giving head to the Toyota guys? MI VHNTR

From the link posted in the previous post.(Before it was edited)



Wow!20 engines out of 30,000 produced at that point.And since May,no more reports of failures despite the fact that the total number of 5.7 engines produced now exceeds 50,000.That adds up to a failure rate of .04%,and that rate is continuing to decline with each new engine built.
And let us consider how Toyota dealt with the situation.Complete new engines were flown out to replace each of the affected engines.To further compensate the owners of these trucks,most if not all were given extended warranty at no charge.
When GM had the soft cam lobes in the 1980s,they replaced only the defective camshafts and did not offer any extended warranty at no charge.
When the side mounted fuel tanks on GM trucks turned out to be fire hazzards,in collisions,GM chose to pay off the lawsuits rather than recall the vehicles.

http://www.autosafetyexpert.com/def...php&pagetitle=FUEL%20TANK%20-%20FIRE

From that link.

Nothing like some embellishment to the story to make Toyota look better. The link sure doesn't tell the story that is so erroneously stated above. There's no sense in letting the truth get in the way of a good story though.
A few more Tundra recalls too. MI VHNTR


http://www.lemonauto.com/complaints/toyota/toyota_tundra.htm

From your own link.







As stated,Toyota did track the problem,to determine if more engines were affected,but the link makes no mention of any further failures.
As I correctly posted,20 engines failed.As I also posted,Toyota is replacing the complete engines in each case where a cam fails.So would you now care to point out the error in my post.
As was also stated in the article,Toyota found the problem and corrected it very quickly.

I notice that you had no response to GM letting people burn instead of recalling the trucks affected by the dangerous fuel tank placement.Ford had a similar fuel tank design problem as does Jeep as is stated at the same link.

There's no mention in the article that I posted about new engines being flown in for customers with failed engines. Rather, this is what the article said: "One Toyota dealer service technician who declined to be identified says Toyota asked him to ship overnight a defective engine to its V-8 engine plant in Alabama."
Nor is there any statement of fact about free extended warranty listed in the article. Creative writing 101? Or a lack of reading comprehension? Either way, it's not in the link that I have posted. MI VHNTR

PS You also forgot this little tidbit of information from the article: "Toyota's top executives repeatedly have stated their concern that Toyota is growing too quickly to keep quality at past high levels." Quality problems at Toyota? Who would have ever dreamed of it?

Would you care to point out where I stated that all of my information came from your link?Or did your suspicious nature just ASSume that?The information posted about the extended warranty came from the Tundra Solutions Forums where people actually reported the cam failures and how Toyota dealt with the situation.

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/tundra/98232-broken-camshaft-new-2007-what-do-13/

From that link.Post 191



As for Air freighting in new engines.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/29/aw-snap-no-really-20-tundra-camshafts-have-snapped/

From that link


I am still waiting for you to show the errors in my previous post.

I see our boy wonder is back. He just couldn't stand it any longer. The punk just can't help himself. As I predicted. Yep! He makes it sound like Toyota is the only car company that ever had any recalls. Like I said: 'The more he talks, the more he shows us what an idiot he really is and how little he really knows.' He certainly needs some professional help. He sure is entertaining though. Good for lots of laughs. Fun to push his buttons. And sooooooooo easy too. What a puppet on a string. Ha, ha. I heard in his next life, he wants to come back as a Toyota lug nut.

From your own link.

more engines were affected,but the link makes no mention

As was also stated in the article,Toyota found the problem

as is stated at the same link. [/quote]

You've only quoted the link that was posted. A response was made to what you had posted at the time, not what you dug up after the fact and added in Edit. No other links are/were mentioned until after your reply. Typical.

One of your new links does bring up over 400 Tundra engine failures. It is posted by a Tundra owner no less. Of course, there's no doubt that he's mistaken too.

hunter01, front end problems got you down? Or are your knees that sore from your daily job?

So information quoted after my previous post is not admissible to prove the credibility of my data?You are just bitter that by posting my sources to prove my previous post was correct,I also proved your accusation to be in error.It must really bother you to have other people back up their posts,when you aren't capable of doing so.Typical



So why not quote his post if it is credible?Could it be because this person simply made a claim with no data to back it up?Could he be just another Toyota hater like you that makes baseless claims?

Noone is upset here. Watching people like you weasel around is nothing new. Again, reading comprehension should be of primary concern to you. After all, you made the post and put the quotes linked to the article in it. Then, you attempt to refer to something else entirely. All of this in an attempt to muddy the waters, ie. recalls, engine failures, front end problems...

BTW, the guy sounded like a Toyota owner that got sucked into (hunter01?) the hype and is worried about engine failure. You should at least have sympathy for him. After all, he got drawn in by all of the hype too. Since you've posted the link, you can find it over there. After all, everyone knows that a Toyota owner wouldn't lie. Or would they? You'd think that they would all be as honest and truthful as the rest of you Toyota guys.

I guess that it just isn't fair to you to not have any proof for your baseless claims while other posters resort to sneaky tactics like actually listing their sources to prove their credibility.



I just don't know how I earned my millwright and electrician journeyman certificates or my engineering certification.It is just amazing that I am able to operate and maintain multi million dollar equipment and earn a six figure salary doing so.



Why feel sorry for someone that owns a Toyota?He is better off having to worry about a possible recall than owning a GM or Ford and having to deal with an actual failure,because there was no recall.

Let's see. I live in Indiana and can choose to buy a Tundra assembled in Toyota's state of the art plant in Princeton, IN. By doing so, my price of purchase will go towards the salaries of employees living in Indiana, and paying income taxes in Indiana. The company, Toyota, will pay property taxes and payroll taxes to the State of Indiana. The company, Toyota, originally promised approximately 2,000 jobs, and now has expanded the plant to an level of over 5,000 employees who assemble three different vehicles, the Tundra, the Sequoia, and the Sienna. The company, Toyota, just struck a deal to use the unused capacity at the Subaru-Isuzu plant in Lafayette, IN, to assemble 100,000 Camry's a year, employing another 1,000 people. These employees will also pay Indiana income tax, and the company will pay property and payroll taxes. On top of that, the company will be taxed on the profit it makes. So it makes pretty good sense to me to own a Sequoia and my wife a Sienna.
Now Honda announces a new plant in Greensburg, IN, employing 2,000. This will grow to between 4,000 and 5,000 employees in the next 5 years. Same thing for income, property, payroll, and profit taxes.
In which state is GM, Ford, or Dodge hiring over 3,000 NEW employees in the next two years? Why is it that for the first time in their history, Toyota management actually had the production team from Indiana go down to Texas to train the new employees at the new Tundra plant down there, rather than fly them in from overseas? Because our people did it better than their employees overseas!
What truck manufacturer hasn't had recalls????? On my Sequoia, it was handled very easily when I went in for my oil change - actually the dealer gave me a free oil change due to the fact it took an extra 30 minutes to handle the lower ball joint. Seems to me a recall is better than just fixing it under warranty and keeping the customer in the dark - "oh, we fixed a few things that fell under your warranty, don't worry about all that stuff".
And finally, what's one of the more recent recalls in Ford's history? Oh yeah, faulty OEM tires that didn't get recalled in time....

Actually GM and Dodge have moved the manufacture of some of their vehicles out of the USA to Mexico.The Avalanche and some Dodge Rams are manufactured there instead of being built in the USA.

Dude...

If you are dumb enough to hook up two truck togeter with a chain and pull... you are are not bright enough to know that Tundra with the 5.7 would pull you down the street backwards with your tire screaming and probably your buddies too. I am a Ford guy. That Tundra is bad ass truck. Live with it

thanks kimber.... well put..

woofer

I have seen that before usually someone breaks a driveshaft of roasts a trans. They are left looking very silly. It's fun watching stupid people for sure. I have owned mostly GM vehicles, 1 ford ranger, 1 nissan altima, and a dodge ram 4x4. I currently have a Dmax 2500 hd and love this truck. I will not own another nissan, done with ford, maybe a dodge again, hope to keep my dmax a long time. I have drove a tundra 07 and it is a nice truck just have not warmed up to the new body. I got the dmax over the 1/2 tons because there a some stuff I pull that require a 3/4 ton. Also the 1/2 ton with the same options cost as much or more than the 3/4 with the diesel. I have had very good service from my Gm vehicles and most likey will continue to own them. The tundra is a very solid truck from what I see and hear. If they ever make a diesel powered truck I will take a look but for now the Dmax is king (diesel power in 3/4, 1 ton).If you compare apples to apples the tundra is tops for now in it's class.

Dude, you're not very bright. You sound more like a dumb Toyota supporter. Writing "I am a Ford guy." means what? All that I had stated about my truck is that it was a Ford, not which model. Here's a clue: My 4x4 truck weighs in at 7000+ pounds unloaded. The Toyota guy talked the trash. I just called him on it, nothing more. Tundra a bad ass truck? I don't think so. Funny thing is, neither did he after he ate his words. You live with it.

For the poster who brought up recalls, when did Ford start making tires?

About the same time that Toyota started making the camshafts for the 5.7 engine.

http://www.lemonauto.com/complaints/toyota/toyota_tundra.htm

I thought everyone heard of the Ford TurnOver tires especially designed for the Ford Exploder.

Made in Flint, Michigan.




This is the truck that Toyota uses when they want to haul stuff to a show. Please open the link; it's really fun.

http://jalopnik.com/cars/pickup-tru...-race-leaving-towing-to-chevy-304526.php

This picture, taken by an anonymous tipster we're calling "Deep Alamo", is from the set up for the Texas State Fair last night. Looks normal enough, doesn't it -- the Toyota truck racing trailer pulling up to the fair site, right? Wait a second, something's wrong here -- is that a late-model Silverado 3500 HD crew cab hauling it around? Yeah, that's what that is. Obviously the reason why Toyota wasn't going to be able to haul this heavy of a trailer was because they don't have a heavy duty pickup to hitch that big Toyota racing trailer up to. But even the most hard-core Toyota truck fan's got to admit it's probably a little embarrassing to have the competition hauling you around by your johnson trailer hitch.


Silverado Rocking The Toyota Truck Race Trailer

Gotta love that! That gonna stick the old oar in the pot!

I like both Toyota and Chevy trucks. If I want a cushy ride or have a few guys going up to the cabin we load up the 2004 LT suburban. If I am alone or with one other person going hunting or fishing I choose the 2002 Tundra. It is more fun to drive. The 4.7 engine is crisp and responsive, and becoming known as one of the most reliable and low wearing production V8 engines ever made. The Chev 5.3 is no slouch and is smooth, but feels less responsive. I like some of the standard options on the suburban. So far the Chev has had more problems like a front bearing seal going, running lights burning out prematurely, temp control unit going out, leather on armrest cracking, intermittent failure of the temp/direction indicator, and the power stearing pump going out. The tundra has been flawless and is perfect for hauling around the hunting and ice fishing equipment. I don't do any heavy hauling or towing so both trucks have plenty of power for my needs.

I get the feel that the Toyota will last longer and continue run as good as it did day one, while the the Chev will slowly deteriorate, but never strand me and keep on working until I get sick of putting money into it.

When we traded our 2001 Suburban for the 2004 a few features were absent like the engine comparment light and locking gas cover.

Bottom line for me is that I am satisfied with both trucks for my uses, and the fact is all the major truck brands are likely to be pretty good compared to my long retired 81 Suburban and 84 K-5 Blazer.

YES to all of the above.

And the LBZ Duramax absolutely frickin' ROCKS!!!

Steve

Can I get Amen brother!

AMEN

Give em time, Steve, give em time..... I still support GM as the Silverado is also assembled in Indiana. Last survey truck we bought was a 2500 crew cab, got over 100,000 miles on it in 3 years and still doing ok.

Actually, my bad on the Ford recall of the tires. Let's talk about my buddy down in Atlanta who lost his friggin house because the ignition switch in his Expedition, which was parked in his garage, started a fire that burned his house down. Luckily, neither he nor his family was in the house at the time. Still, to lose everything you have, every stitch of clothing, because ANY manufacturer hasn't yet issued a recall on faulty equipment and/or workmanship, is just wrong in my book.

Those fires were/are the result of a defective brake pressure switch for the cruise control and Ford's assinine wiring setup. The switch is "hot at all times" and brake fluid leakage through the switch contacts could start a fire, even with the vehicle turned off. Pleasant thought, that your garaged Ford could take you & your house out without any warning in the middle of the night.................

There is now an active recall, got a recall notice a few weeks ago for my loaner vehicle, a '94 Grand Marquis. Nice of Ford to step to the plate so promptly ......................

badger

Keep talkin... Your digging yourself a hole only a Toyota can could get you out of.

haha thats pretty funny. A chevy having to pull toyotas around.

A bad ass truck indeed, If you're not pulling anything with it. Lets face it, 1/2 ton trucks were made for the people who want to look important and park a truck in their home development driveway. Texas is the biggest suv.truck buyer and look what they have down there. Paved Highways!
To put it simple, Most who buy 1/2 ton trucks dont even use them.

And many people that own 3/4 ton or 1 ton diesels,don't use them to their potential either.There are a large number of them that never see anything in the bed besides a quad,snowmobile or some groceries,and that never tow more than a quad or double snowmobile trailer.Most of the owners would be better off with a 1/2 ton.Then again,if you had ever been to rural Alberta or Saskatchewan,you would see many 1/2 tons that are worked hard on a regular basis.And a great many of the roads are not paved,with some being no more than unmaintained trails.
However,the fact that many people do not use a truck to it's potential,does not in any way make the Tundra(or any other truck) less of a truck.

Spoken like a die hard Toyota owner. Toyota's trailer being towed around by a Chevy must really put your panties in a bunch. Any way, a real original comeback.

bigblock455, you are correct with your assessment of some truck owners. It's the "in" thing to do, so they jump on the bandwagon. To make things worse, they see ads on tv and they become convinced that their truck can out-tow and out-haul anything on 4, or 6, wheels. Reality is much different though. For example, see the Chevy truck towing Toyota's trailer.

At least Toyota knows who makes the greatest truck going. The just drop in at their local Chevy dealership when they need a truck that will flawlessly pull their stuff.

Steve

An extension of your flawed logic (if you could call it logic)









This last picture is Ricky Rudd's FORD

Well put. That is why Kings have their slaves do their work. As if a 5.7 l, 381 hp Tundra with 10,700 pound towing couldn't pull anything. What a bunch of azzholes. What stupid logic. I can't believe some of these guys. They think all the Toyota money goes to Japan too. I went to the mall the other day and saw tons of Dodge Hemi trucks, Chevy and fords. Lots of those 'shopping carts' parked in the lots at the grocery store too. Oh, and I found out what mivhntr stand for too. Mindless, Idiotic, Vacant-Headed, Nauseating, Tacky-thumbsucking-testicle-licking-toilet-training, Rodent. Yep, that's mivhntr. A child trying to live in an adult world.

Any legitimate hauler will use the proper designed vehicle for the task at hand. This includes using a tow vehicle that has the required weight ratings to comply with local laws and insurance requirements. The Toyota brand doesn't currently offer such a vehicle for towing these trailers. Hino does.

In my area we are blessed with one of the best heavy duty truck manufacturers in the world, Peterbilt. I know several of the top executives and engineers from Peterbilt. To a person, they all keep a close eye on Hino. They feel that make some of the best trucks in the world. According to Peterbilt, they are fortunate that Hino does not have a large presence in the US.

Hino is a division of the Toyota Motor Corporation.

A king usually had a court jester and you sure fit the bill as a clown.

Does your mommy know what comes out of, and what goes into, your mouth? More than likely, she doesn't. Otherwise you might get your mouth washed out with soap, instead of using mouthwash in between jobs. Of course, everyone knows what you've done for the last 29 years and getting an education isn't one of them. The name thing must have really kept you busy for quite a while. Then again, it must be difficult to get your arms out of the restraints and then get permission to get out of your little rubber room in order to play while hiding behind a keyboard and a monitor.

The Chevy pulling the Toyota trailer around must have really caused you to become more unbalanced. Ask for some extra Prozac and it'll all be better soon.