I need to know the good & the bad before taking the plunge! Going to be a dedicated coyote night hunting rig. What gr and type of bullets should I be wanting to shoot? Can I find dies or should I expect to have to use a Redding type S and then do a two step bushing down process? Who makes a good 24” barrel in this chambering? What powders are best in this round and where do I find good load info for it?

Any info is greatly appreciated!

Go to Predator Masters and ask that question. I just wish we could get ammo and cases right now that did not cost a fortune.

kwg

A few friends of mine were shooting the 6 WOA which I am guessing is the same thing. They were using 75 grain bullets for the most part and killing coyotes and pigs pretty well with them. But that’s been a long time ago.

A guy named Dan Carey built a bunch of them. A lot of the ones he built had 1 in 10 twist barrels. Probably the reason a lot of guys ran 75 and 85gr pills. Had mine been twisted tighter, I'd likely still have it. If I were the op, id look into the 6 ARC, as there is a lot more support for that cartridge than the one hes inquiring about. You can also shoot heavier pills with higher bc's. Even though times are tough right now, I snagged this box of ammo the other day at Cabela's:

I'd also opt for the 6ARC - though relatively new, it ought to have decent support from the industry and have substantially less hassle than a straight up wildcat (i.e., easier to find components, dies, etc - hence = CHEAPER) with much the same results on the coyotes end. Why fight your way uphill?

YMMV.......

Kaiser Norton

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Why use that brass ?

Yeah, 6mm ARC is your 'easy button'.

Yea.

I think that's the button I'd hit.

I've got one of the first 6 WOA. Works fine. Haven't shot it in years but no particular reason. Shot accurately. First load I picked with 85 tsx was around half inch at 100 for 5. Never went past that.

I'd likely go the 6 arc also today unless I had a bunch of 6.8 brass or such. Dang I can kick myself for not buying a 1000 fired 6.8s... LOL.

6 ARC is 7.62x39 brass?

I’d much rather be looking for that brass than that cluster fugk 6.8 spc 😂🤣

Not sure you can take it down that far, but 6.5 Grendel converts down easy. Not that 6.5 Grendel is that much easier to find...

And6.5 grendel is a 6.5 PPC. Which all PPC come from..... x39....

6.8 brass was all over the place before the panic... FWIW. Lots of em out there. Not my cup of tea as I despise .277 caliber.

You and me both.

Why?

Well the post caught my attention to read the thread... but like the other dozen plus guys...

make life simpler and go with the 6mm Grendal....

I'm shooting the 6.5 Grendal in a Ruger Bolt action, and its been pretty much handloaded and a lot of testing..

my first batch of brass that has been use for testing... both light loads and pushed hard...are on their 20 th plus reloads now...

Hornady brass, ( which I usually don't care for) is holding up very well....

Latest load I tested, was with 12.5 grain of Unique... recoils less than a 22.250... a lazy push.. but with a 100 grain bullet
it had no problem putting a tight little 5 shot group at a 200 yd target....zeroed like 2 inches high at 100...

didn't chronograph them due to leaving it at home... duh...

I've thought about doing the Ruger Predator in the 6mm version... more varmint type of service...

between the 70 gr Speer TNT, the 75 grain HPs ( that if they are still being made) from Sierra, Speer, Hornady, the 70 grain Nosler Varmaggedon, and then the various 80 grain SP and Ballistic Tip bullets out there.... there are plenty of options... even more so than the 6.5 Field...

I'm also finding the Grendal case works just fine running it thru magazines intended for a 223.....


See I'm busy talking myself into one as we speak.... can't find anything NOT to like about the concept...

Stupid I know. Grew up with Elmer Keith not Jack O Connor. Didn't care for OConnor. Now I realize Elmer was a bit of an azz too.

add that to the most destruction from bullets on deer I'd ever seen was from 270s. And they kicked worse IE sharper than any 06 I'd ever shot.

Stuff I never got over. LOL.

Laugh some more. After Bill Ruger stabbed gun owners in the back in what the 80s? 90s? I just about can't stand Ruger either.

So... whats the ONLY ONLY ONLY gun I ever won? Ruger American in 270. Has a used scope. Yes its sighted in. Sits in the safe with a box of ammo handy. As a loaner backup gun. I take it along to deer camp. In case someone else forgets a rifle, or ammo or gun breaks etc... I won't shoot the thing on purpose.

That said I did voluntarily buy a couple of LCPs as they fit a CHL niche at times.

6Grendel. LMAO. A new name for 6 PPC I suppose. Like the dang blackout. It was and is the 300/221.

Gotcha. Yeah, that .270 ain't exactly the wimp we like to poke fun at here.

I've built 4 6x6.8 rigs, 2 ar15s, 2 bolt rigs and they were just perfect for coyote to deer.
Being so accurate I sold them and built 2 savage 6x6.8 rifles. The savage builds are more so accurate, no issues at all. 55g to 90g all sub moa, 22 inch 1/9 twist black hole barrels from ritches precision
I got 2 die sets from ch4d and 1 hornady die set in a group buy on PM, also have a redding bushing die set.
The best single bullet for coyotes to deer is the 90g noslers hbt and 90g Sierra tgk.
Powder h335 is tops.

I almost did the 6mm grendel but the 6.8 case offered me 3000fps vs maybe 2700 with the 6mm grendel, very happy I did.
This was way before the 6mm arc and the 6x6.8 is still better IMO.
I am building a 6mm arc for a rancher right now due to the simple fact it's factory supported.

Problem with 6ARC is you can't push it unless your using a bolt action and that's where it really shines! As does the Grendel itself. I've got a 6mm Predator same as 6Grendel in an AR platform and it's doing well with 105 RDFs!

The 6.8 case can take more pressure than the 6ARC which gives it an upper hand in an AR platform.

You want to sell the hides or blow the sh*t out of them? Lot a guys on here will swear till hell freezes over that the 223 is good enough for deer should not be a problem taking coyotes + salvaging the hide. Seems to me a 224 Valkyrie would be the logical move, I see that as more availible than the 6 arc and no dicking around converting brass or hunting for loads. You asked

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We saw the 6mm ARC in the highpower rifle world as the 6mm AR and the 6mm Fat Rat...and it wasn't uncommon that I'd hear about AR bolts shedding lugs. I'm hearing it's also a thing with the Grendel (at one time AA said you needed to use their enhanced bolts for longevity). Ever wonder why Hornady downloads their ARC? Problems arise when either A) you're shooting thousands of rounds in practice and competition...or B) you're hotrodding your handloads (as many in our sport are prone to do).

Low volume and moderate pressure (50k)...you could be fine.

I have a 6mm WOA and it does great to 600 yards. I neck down in one pass and fireform with a reduced load (no COW, TP and Pistol powder for me!).

SAAMI spec for the 6mm ARC is only 54K psi.
That wider cartridge base shaves a lot of steel from the bolt in places that it matters.

Sure, you gain in case volume, but you give much of that gain back in reduced safe pressure levels in the AR platform.

One of the reasons I'm thinking about going with the 6x45 instead of the ARC. I was hopefull the 6mm ARC would be successful, but when you look at the bolt face of one of those, it kind of makes you cringe. Dang it... You and ChrisF are hitting on some good points.. Also one of the reasons I asked you who makes die sets for 6x45. I don't really care if the 6x45 isn't quite as fast as the 6mm ARC, but what is important is the fact that the 6x45 bolt is likely not going to come apart. I don't think the 6WOA has the same issues as the ARC in this regard, but having owned a 6WOA, I can tell you that getting anything out of WOA is like pulling teeth and you are very limited in the die sets you can buy/find. That becomes a major hassle as far as I'm concerned.

BSA, your hitting on a lot of the reasons I went with the 6x45. In this state, 6mm is the minimum for big game, and an 85gr bullet for elk. Not that I don't have better guns for elk, but it's nice to have the option.
Lots of folks here killed a lot of game with the 5.56 so I wanted to keep as close to the 5.56 as possible.

Same bolt, same mags, same brass, likes the same powders, and the die I wanted (Forster) off the shelf, and barrels on close out for $85 when Columbia River bought out BHW made it an easy call for me.

Makes a lot of sense to me man.

If you want to get technical I believe the true parent case for the grandel for the 220 Russian. Which the PPC cases were made from. And the Grendel is stretch I think .070 and shoulder angle just a bit different than a ppc . 7.62 x 39 is close . Never tried to make grendel brass from x 39 doesn't work as good as one expected . I always knew the 300 Blackout and its previous Life as a 300 whisper

I just bought a reloading die set for the 6x45. I'm glad you can buy a damn RCBS die set for this cartridge. Like I said, you can't for the 6WOA. You are basically stuck with what you get. Not much support in that department. I have a chit ton of 6mm bullets and bought a bunch of the 90gr Sierra game changers that I had high hopes for in the 6WOA, but it absolutely hated that pill. It loved the 85gr GK, but that bullet has a bc like a spit wad. I've been eyeballing the 6x45 for a long time and damn near bought one before the 6WOA came along. I was hoping the WOA would be better, but in the end, I'm not thinking so. I have my eye on a 20" barrel with a 1 in 8 twist and will hit the buy button here in a bit. I'm thinking it will be a great shooter. We will see. I also don't care that I'm giving up 100 fps to the WOA either. At least the 6x45 will stabilize the 90+ gr bullets.. That's my only word of caution to anyone looking to build a 6x6.8 AKA 6WOA, be mindful of the twist rate. I'd be looking at a 1 in 8 minimum.

Here you go:

https://columbiariverarms.com/product/6x45-1x8-20-configurable/

20" 1/8 twist, Caudle 3-land polygonal rifling, choose your threads and profile.
No sales at the moment, so machine finish is full retail of $295.00, and add $30.00 if you want the black satin finish.
Delivery times are running 3 to 12 months, so, you'll have to decide what you think about that as it compares to what else might be out there in these interesting times.

Best of luck with your build.

Thanks buddy, but I bought a barrel that I'll have in 3 to 5 days. I don't like to wait on things. From what I hear, they are very accurate as well. Tons of good reviews from other sites, it's twisted right (1 in 8), stainless and 20". Plus it's a good deal at $250.00 We will see....Dies and every thing else is on its way too... Should be shooting it by next weekend.

I can understand not wanting to wait. Figured that even in these times you'd have a line on something of good quality. I look forward to hearing about your results.

I'll let you guys know, as per usual.. Hopefully it will be alright (sub moa for 10 shots). I have a pretty good selection of bullets that were just sitting. I also found some 100gr Hornady btsp interlocks today and a partial box (80 pcs) of 85gr Sierra bthp gamekings. Those were only $10.00 at a shop that had a bunch of partial boxes of reloading components. I also saw some 85gr tsx bullets, but figured the 6x45 doesn't push them fast enough to warrant a mono metal. One shop I was at today had some BCG's. They had some JP enterprises BCG's for $239.00 and some SAA nickel boron BCG's. Those were $189.99. I didn't need another BCG, but spent the money on one and also bought an older like new stainless Ruger 10-22 with metal trigger guard. Lucked out on that one as well, only $249.00. Didn't appear to have been shot much. I've been on the lookout for one of the older ones for a while now. Couldn't pass on that deal.. I wonder what the OP is doing with his builds? That reminds me, I have a 6.8 SPC bolt if the OP wants it, for a small fee, and about 30 pcs of brass that was sized for my 6WOA. Its primed with BR4 primers. I also have some mags. ASC and another brand. I'd have to check to see what they are, but if the OP is interested in anything like that, he can pm me... I know bolts and chidt are kind of hard to find right now..

I bought a 22” 1-8 twist barrel from BHW in 6x6.8. And I ordered the reloading dies from CH4D. I haven’t really got into loading for it yet. But now I have some time and was digging it out. I think the 6x6.8 is better to keep the bullet weights at 100 grains and under. And really 90 and under in that BHW chamber I think because it was relatively short. I went with the 6x6.8 since I was so into the 6.8spc. And wanted to get some lighter weight bullets going fast for coyote hunting. And lwrci was selling their 6.8 bolts for around $50 a piece too. Longer range heavier bullets isn’t what the 6x6.8 was designed around. But I plan on working on some loads once I fix my chrono that I somehow shot. I hope the 87 vmax work nice in this barrel.

87 v-max should be golden in that rifle, as well as 85gr Sierra gameking. I'll be running anything and everything in my 6x45. I have a bunch of 6mm bullets to try..