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"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
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I don't get it. What am I missing?
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I don't get it. What am I missing? That's what I was thinking. I am also thinking that there are always two sides to every story, so far I have only heard from one side about what went down. I wonder what the sheriff's side of this story is?
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence". John Adams
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I don't get it. What am I missing? I would enjoy being part of a group of people who can mobilize against the State at a moment's notice. Great things can come from such an organization, I think, in times like these.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
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I don't get it. What am I missing? I would enjoy being part of a group of people who can mobilize against the State at a moment's notice. Great things can come from such an organization, I think, in times like these. Maybe if you reproduced the exact part that you think is important. I still don't get it.
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I don't get it. What am I missing? That's what I was thinking. I am also thinking that there are always two sides to every story, so far I have only heard from one side about what went down. I wonder what the sheriff's side of this story is? I don't particularly care what the sheriff's side of the story is. If his cause is just, I'm sure he'll prevail. On the other hand, if, as I believe is much more likely, his goon was just throwing his weight around trying to intimidate people who were videotaping him, he deserves whatever he gets, and it can't hurt if the word gets out that the next time one of your deputies screws with somebody at a random traffic stop, you might end up having to change all your phone numbers and answer uncomfortably pointed questions on YouTube. I think this is pretty cool.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
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I don't get it. What am I missing? I would enjoy being part of a group of people who can mobilize against the State at a moment's notice. Great things can come from such an organization, I think, in times like these. Maybe if you reproduced the exact part that you think is important. I still don't get it. I think the concept is important. I don't mind if you don't get it.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
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I don't follow it either. Seems to be a story about some bubbas getting busted for drinking beer.
"The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubt" Bertrand Russell
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WOW...This is monumental.
Can't believe it hasn't made the national headlines yet!
Some yahoos pushing their luck and, right or wrong, the deputy called them on it. Now they are paying bond and looking for lawyers.
Yep...real Liberty Movement Einsteins, those 3!
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http://motorhomediaries.com/about/This is a pretty cool bunch of guys doing what most people only talk about, starting the fire for personal freedom in society, and limiting the out of control government, looks like they got harangued on a traffic stop and it went from bad to worse, however hundreds of people are calling and complaining about the incident, worth looking into
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I think the concept is important. I agree 100% Barak, there are times we need to be able to stand against abuse of power. If somebody wants to video our guys & gals doing their job the sheriff says SMILE.
George Orwell was a Prophet, not a novelist. Read 1984 and then look around you!
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WOW...This is monumental.
Can't believe it hasn't made the national headlines yet!
Some yahoos pushing their luck and, right or wrong, the deputy called them on it. Now they are paying bond and looking for lawyers.
Yep...real Liberty Movement Einsteins, those 3! It's okay, my friend: I didn't expect you to understand. Not yet, anyway. Probably either you or someone close to you will need to be arrested and manhandled for not hurting anyone first.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
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I'm confused, I went to the link but only saw comments, what is the story?
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http://motorhomediaries.com/about/This is a pretty cool bunch of guys doing what most people only talk about, starting the fire for personal freedom in society, and limiting the out of control government, looks like they got harangued on a traffic stop and it went from bad to worse, however hundreds of people are calling and complaining about the incident, worth looking into And I like the way they apparently air-dropped that chick into the midst of the confusion so that they'd have reasonably coherent reports of what was going on and what was needed, rather than having to rely on the Old Media. Hopefully she had a video camera with her too. These are folks who aren't going to be in the least impressed with official protestations about Department Policy and such, and don't give two whoops whether an official investigation results, because they know what the verdict is when the State investigates the State. They don't need any help from the State at all: if it turns out that the goon with the badge deserves a smackdown, they can make mini Lon Horiuchis out of him and his boss all by themselves. It's a refreshing break from what H. L. Mencken called Boobus americanus.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
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I think the concept is important. I agree 100% Barak, there are times we need to be able to stand against abuse of power. If somebody wants to video our guys & gals doing their job the sheriff says SMILE. And the crappy part of it is that I understand how frustrating it must be to have folks shoving video cameras in your face, waiting breathlessly for you to do some little thing they can take completely out of context, blow completely out of proportion, and get you reprimanded or possibly fired. I certainly wouldn't like somebody doing that to me.It's why I'm such an advocate for privatization of law enforcement. In a private-LE world, there'd probably be some of that, but much less, because the job wouldn't be nearly as adversarial. First of all, the cops would be working directly for their clients, not for the State; secondly, while there'd still be bad guys, they'd actually be bad guys--that is, people who had hurt somebody, not people who had said something, or who had carried something from one place to another, or who had medicated themselves, or who had conducted a voluntary business transaction. It's a lot harder to rouse public ire chasing down a guy who robbed a bank than it is to rouse public ire arresting somebody for having beer in his residence. But as long as cops work for the State, they're going to have to deal with the consequences that come with being agents of the State, which include video cameras in aggravating places at frustrating times.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
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I'm confused, I went to the link but only saw comments, what is the story? If you're not motivated enough to click on the various links and do a little Googling for yourself, then don't worry about it. There are people who are motivated enough, which is what's important.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
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I think the concept is important. I don't mind if you don't get it. I think you may have taken my comment the wrong way. Usually, I find your posts thought provoking. Just didn't understand what idea you were meaning to get across this time. You just sort of threw something out there without a lot of development.
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I'm confused, I went to the link but only saw comments, what is the story? Exactly my experience.
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