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The photos are not on their website. They were in an email flier. The three photos at the top of this page were the ones used. Mike
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So...let's see if I understand this right...they are reorganizing their business so that, in the future, you will pay them $100 a year to be a member of their club so you will organize all of your hunting with your outfitters for yourself, by yourself.
This sounds like one hell of a good business, to own. Not so good to be a member of...
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My thoughts exactly.  Mike
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Rumor has it they won't be refunding the 90 hunters booked for the Courageous Lake caribou hunt this year with the closure of the Bathurst herd. Interesting. Check it... http://www.huntingreport.com/worldupdate.cfm?articleid=516
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I guess booking agents think its ok to advertise like this. A sponsor of this website, Ray Atkinson, is the very worst! I pulled these from another website but I copied and pasted his quotes. He starts out by making claims like this January 24, 2002
The best kept secret for big mule deer is in the area of Kirmit, Texas on the New Mexico border...Year before last we shot a 233.5 and a 216 B&C and some poachers may have shot a world record or near that and they did get caught..The head is non registered but hangs in the Kermit or wink hiway patrol office...The deer are bigger than Mexicos deer as Mexico has been going down hill lately due to overhunting I believe...
Just in case you didnt know that 40" deer were behind every bush Ray will prove it to you if you send him a deposit  December 2, 2002
I can show anyone a 225 to 235 B&C buck with 40" plus spreads, on about any give hunt, East of Roswell on the LE ranch or on the Frying Pan Ranch near Kermit...
August 13, 2002
I can show bucks in the 230 or better class if your tough enough you get him, and it ain't no cake walk. I figure a 30% success rate.
We spot these three or four bucks most every morning with spotting scopes from our one mountain top advantage point..They are up feeding in the brushy flats..All you have to do is let them bed down and go get them, simple as that.. you won't find bigger Mule deer anywhere in the world today.
Believe it or not I have a heck of a time selling these hunts because they are too rough and few hunters can handle walking in the sand all day. Most go home the 3nd day, most do not complain because the owner lays it out up front and they do get a look at these deer..They talk the talk, but can't walk the walk...Tracking hunts and you may spend two nights on the tracks then lose them but just maybe they will slip up and you will get a shot, but they don't get that big being stupid.
When we do find a tough hunter who can keep up with the guide and one who can handle the price tag of $3500 to $4500, he WILL kill a real Boone and Crocket Mulie....
We don't want someone that will shoot a 28" or 30" buck if they see it, and they will see some of these smaller boys,thats why we always have 3 or 4 of these big guys around, we don't shoot them until they are fully grown..
This quote here is one of my favorites, 2-3 in the 208"-235" class with sreads of 40 plus inches? Really? Please Ray, post one pic of your clients with a 235" deer thats over 40" wide! I will eat your dirty underwear and post the video of it on you tube myself if you could do it  August 2, 2003
I have some trophy Mule Deer and we kill two or three each year in the 208 to 235 B&C class, spreads of 40 plus inches, which is pretty good because we only take about 7 hunters....In Texas/NM on 300,000 acres of desert near Jal NM and Kermit, Texas....
Take note here as he starts to advertise a 46" wide deer that was poached 2 counties away and in an area that wasnt open to hunting. He advertises as if it came off of his ranch. March 25, 2005
As some of you know, my big deer ranch is booked up to 2010, but a neighbor contacted me through ********** who posts here and he has one opening for this year and its the first 4 days of season...$2000 for fully guided 1x1 hunt and a $2000 kill fee....
The largest deer was a 13 point 46 inch wide deer with 6" bases and 30 inch main beams...A number of 200 plus deer have come off this 20,000 acre low fenced ranch eacg year...
May 15, 2005
Considering the size of the Mule Deer killed each year on this ranch, example the largest to date shot a couple of years ago had a 46" spread and awsome mass, and is the State record, then $2000 or $4000 is dirt cheap and success rate is high for that kind of Mule Deer..A comparison is Mexico who were getting $9,500.00 last I checked and these deer are better than Mexicos..Most of the deer shot will go in the book or darn close to it..The gene pool is there and the deer are there, if your lucky or good...
On June 2, 2005 Ray posts this
I have had a cancellation on my Texas Mule Deer Trophy hunts...This hunt is on a 20,000 acre low fenced ranch that backs up to about 100,000 acres of Gov. land..
These may be the best trophy deer in the world today, they only allow you to shoot the big ones, the largest shot so far was a 46" spread, 30 inch beam and 6 inch base, Texas no. 1...A number of 170 to 180 were shot and several each year over 200..The adjoining ranch I have booked up into 2008 shot several in the 200 to 234 B&C class...This is one heck of a trophy mule deer country and about half what the guys in Mexico are getting...
Ray is now advertising as if this 46" deer was killed on a ranch he books for. He calls is a state record which is false. So I call Ray out on this 46" wide deer that was allegedly killed on this ranch he books hunts for. He then tells me that it was poached at the gate of the ranch. I took interest in this as I had published 2 articles in different magazines about this particular deer and I knew for a fact that it wasnt poached at the gate of that ranch, it wasnt poached in the same county, it wasnt even poached in a neighboring county and this guy is trying to profit from it This was his reply on June 2, 2005
This one was poached at the gate of Billy Coles ranch if that helps you out.....If you want to see a picture of Billy Cole holding the deer then check his web page or email me like I suggested...I can show you pictures of a half a dozen bucks in the 180 to 234 B&C range if you like, that we have killed in that general area, I book for two ranches, Flag ranch and DK Boyd who has 5 ranches in that are, but DK is booked through 2008, all return clients.....
Lets fast forward a year and he is now changing his story. And to those that dont know the history here, Ray called me every name in the book when I politely pointed out that he was wrong. At one point in time the man threatened to come to my home and do some sort of "west texas justice" as he called it. On Oct 26, 2006 he basically says it was poached in the county I had been telling him but continues to try to tell people that I am the one that was full of BS. He just verified what I had told him for years and I'm full of BS? Seriously, how does that work?
Billy Cole of the Flag ranch where you live has a picture of that deer on his brochure and it clearly states the deer was poached in ****** County..I send out those Brochures to folks...I wouldn't suggest that you go and jump on Billy with your BS, it might prove disasterous.
Anyway, the reason I posted all of this is because Ray make the wildest, most outlandish claims ever and the only pictures he has ever shown anybody were not of his clients! The deer he calls 234" is actually a 200" deer that was killed by a friend of mine thats never heard of Ray Atkinson! I know another guy thats pictured on his website that doesnt know him and didnt kill his deer on a property that Ray is booking for, it was killed in the area but not on that ranch. You might think posting a pic off of a neighboting ranch would be OK but you'd be wrong, the neighboring place is a far superior ranch with much more huntable habitat. Basically, what I'm trying to say is BE CAREFUL when it comes to this habitual liar. He will bend you over a stump and go "deliverance" on you if he thinks theres a chance he can book you on a mule deer hunt. Ray, I'll ask again, pretty please with 2 maraschino cherries on top, post up pictures of these unbelievable mule deer that you all kill every year or just admit publicly that your so full of poop that your eyes are brown Drummond
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Soon as I saw this thread I knew huntsonora was going to post the stuff about atkinson.
I'd really like to hear some resolution to this serious allegation because I've only heard one side so far and Ray hasn't jumped in to defend himself. That's disturbing.
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Soon as I saw this thread I knew huntsonora was going to post the stuff about atkinson.
I'd really like to hear some resolution to this serious allegation because I've only heard one side so far and Ray hasn't jumped in to defend himself. That's disturbing. Indefensible Main Entry: in�de�fen�si�ble Pronunciation: \-ˈfen(t)-sə-bəl\ Function: adjective Date: 1529 1 a : incapable of being maintained as right or valid : untenable b : incapable of being justified or excused : inexcusable <indefensible comments> That is the reason Ray hasnt "defended" himself. nsaqam, I too find this disturbing and this is why I will continue to take Ray to task. I assure you that I have not slandered him in any way shape or form and can substantiate everything I have ever stated. Did you read the stuff he advertises? Seriously, I would have an easier time believing a hunt advertisement for a DIY Unicorn hunt in Timbuktu than one of his mule deer hunts. Heres the thing, Ray publicly advertises this stuff. If he doesnt want to be publicly called on it he shouldnt post it. It really is that simple. You cant expect somebody to not call you on claims such as these. Its checks and balances The ball is in Rays court, he can do one of two things to make this right and get me off his back. He can be a man and admit he hasnt been honest for whatever reason. He can even wimp out and just claim to be mistaken and apologize to the people he has taken money from. Or better yet, he can publicly shame me and make me look like an idiot and post pictures of these 2-3 giant bucks they kill every single year. Its been 7 years that I have seen him advertise that they kill 2-3 200"-235" bucks with spreads greater than 40" so he must have one helluva album to choose from. The last time he posted a pic it was of my friends buck who has never met or heard of Ray Atkinson. I told him I would eat his dirty underwear and post the video on you tube if he would post pics of his clients 235" 40"+ deer Whats too bad is that he has ignored my private messages on 2 different forums and has ignored my emails asking him in private to do this. I'm not the kind of person thats not going to say anything and since there was a thread about "Booking Agent Ethics" I figured it was as good a place as any to ask him once again to be a man and come clean. As long as he continues to book these hunts without admitting he was not being honest is as long as I will ontinue to be the voice that shows him for what he is Ray will probably just act like he hasnt seen this thread, maybe I'll send him a PM and let him know its here as I dont want anybody to think he doesnt have an opportunity to give his side. I just cant see him responding as he has to know that I will eat his lunch on this subject anywhere and anytime he wants me to eat it. I bet Ray wishes he never threatened my family and I years ago when he told me he was flying to TX and was going to show up at my door for "west texas justice". Here is his quote, I only wish I had saved the voicemail, I assure you this man is not stable. Yep, if you want to get me riled threaten my family and by threatening to come to my door for a shootout as he told me on the phone he did just that.
I just called you Lindsey and got your answering service, hell your just a loud mouthed kid with a squeeky voice, about Derons age I suspect...Im coming my friend, West Texas justice.
Its out there now and I probably wont post on this thread again as I am probably already redundant. If anybody has any questions or would like to have a conversation about anything then feel free to PM me and we'll chat
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I'm not doubting a word you say HS. In fact the examples you put out here and the certainty with which you state your facts makes me lean strongly towards believing you. Mr Atkinson's silence on the subject only reinforces that belief.
Too bad really because Mr. Atkinson seems to be a very knowledgable guy when it comes to guns and hunting.
I will continue to benefit from his experience in these fields on this forum.
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...because Mr. Atkinson seems to be a very knowledgable guy when it comes to guns and hunting. Ummmm, not really.
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...because Mr. Atkinson seems to be a very knowledgable guy when it comes to guns and hunting. Ummmm, not really. Sure he is, just ask him.
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...because Mr. Atkinson seems to be a very knowledgable guy when it comes to guns and hunting. Ummmm, not really. This is one of my favorite from Ray and it begs the question, how liable should the booking agent be if he gives out such misinformation that the client could be charged with a potential Lacy Act violation, which is a felony Here is the quote from Ray
The deer population is not large on the big ranch, but the bucks will make you scream and wallow in the dirt with chill bains..
I saw non typical off the road one evening as I drove past the ranch, that scared me to death, and I have shot a lot of big mule deer.
2 deer only to be harvested, no other hunters. $5500 per hunter...NM has a split season, you could hunt both if you wished..Its kind of a pain but thats the way it is..Democratic thinking you know!
First eason is Octy 27 to 29
Second season is Nov. 8 to 112
I thought perhaps some of you might be interested.
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Just FYI fellas, if you buy a PLO (private land only) tag for the first season you CANNOT hunt again in the second season as Ray suggests. Hypothetically, if you did this and killed a deer and transported it home across a state line it has now become a FEDERAL OFFENSE. Ray doesn't even know the laws in the US, how could anybody trust that what he says is true for a 3rd world country Ray, please address this as well when you post up pictures of the 15-20 200"+ deer yall have killed in the past few years Thanks! And what in the world is a "chill bain" and why do you "wallow in the dirt" when you get em? Thanks
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Soon as I saw this thread I knew huntsonora was going to post the stuff about atkinson.
I'd really like to hear some resolution to this serious allegation because I've only heard one side so far and Ray hasn't jumped in to defend himself. That's disturbing. There's a good reason why he hasn't. Use your imagination. Since I know HS facts to be true, it would be nice if Atkinson jumped in and admitted he stretched the truth a little. I don't think you'll see that, however, because the stuff he sent me 3 months ago on these hunts still claim the same things. Pretty sad.
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I'm not doubting a word you say HS. In fact the examples you put out here and the certainty with which you state your facts makes me lean strongly towards believing you. Mr Atkinson's silence on the subject only reinforces that belief.
Too bad really because Mr. Atkinson seems to be a very knowledgable guy when it comes to guns and hunting.
I will continue to benefit from his experience in these fields on this forum. Remember well your last line of this, your quote. Cause,"When a man with money meets a man with "experience", the man with experience winds up with the money and the man with the money winds up with the "experience". Caveat Emptor, Dude. References, references, references and book with the person that does the hunts with you or has specifically hunted what they rep and has REFERENCES to that effect.
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Please Ray, post one pic of your clients with a 235" deer thats over 40" wide! I will eat your dirty underwear and post the video of it on you tube myself if you could do it I really wish he could, just so I could see that video, but I won't hold my breath. Gosh and to think I almost sent Ray a deposit when he made me an offer I almost couldn't refuse. This one from 3-13-09.. I almost did it too. So Greenhorn, if you have any doubts then book a hunt with me at my price, send me a 50% deposit, and if the above view is not correct then I'll pay for your hunt. I don't candy coat my hunts and what I say they are is what you will get.
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I will continue to benefit from his experience in these fields on this forum. It's only perceived benefits. There's usually little value in the guidance from those who boast of their fictional, incomplete or very exaggerated experiences. As good as it sounds to some, the funnier it is to those who are skilled in evaluating obvious spew.
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Please Ray, post one pic of your clients with a 235" deer thats over 40" wide! I will eat your dirty underwear and post the video of it on you tube myself if you could do it I really wish he could, just so I could see that video, but I won't hold my breath. Gosh and to think I almost sent Ray a deposit when he made me an offer I almost couldn't refuse. This one from 3-13-09.. I almost did it too. So Greenhorn, if you have any doubts then book a hunt with me at my price, send me a 50% deposit, and if the above view is not correct then I'll pay for your hunt. I don't candy coat my hunts and what I say they are is what you will get.
Awesome quote by Ray! Doesnt candy coat his hunts? I guess its difficult to get a hard candy coating around poop. I'm glad you didnt send that crook any money, you would not have killed a deer the size of which he advertised and he damn sure wouldnt have given you any money back This was a classic exchange between Ray and I on the Africa forum a couple weeks back. I asked him to substantiate the claims of the 40" deer and he says this Sonora,
I have never made any claims of 40 inch deer, We shot some 200 plus and 34.5 was the biggest at 234.5 and he is on my web page. but thats not the problem here..
So I quote him on all of his claims like I did earlier in this thread and he comes back with this We are talking different ranches, I was talking about he frying pan where the 234 buck is pictured on my web page..
Drummond, you an idiot and you try and turn things around, your process is baffle them with bullsh--t..You take everything out of context....
...in other words you are and internet wannabe, and you claim to be things that your are not.
If you look at his couple sentences I could swear he has me confused with himself
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