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We're talking Dick and Craig here so I would feel better if there was a photo showing the face of the plate. I suppose someone should write them and ask what the serial number range is... not it 
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The serial looks like 133xxx but can't be positive.
I thought there might be some connection between the end of the thick and the start of the thin but I have an 1899-A TD, 83xxx, with the thin hard rubber plate.
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The serial looks like 133xxx but can't be positive.
That's what it looks like to me (blown up)
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I think we should work toward defining the earliest known thick plate and the latest thick plate. From what I am seeing, the serial numbers are spread out enough that it wouldn't be logical to conclude that Savage was experimenting with a different style plate at a specific time. Plus, it does appear the thicker plated rifles have longer lengths of pull. Why - other than special order?
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Here is Roe Clark's letter on the .38/55 short rifle I referred to above: ![[Linked Image]](http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/steve004/Marlin/Savage/roeletter001.jpg)
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I have 2 1899H rifles with the regular buttplates inside the serial range of the thick ones,there length of pull is 13". I measured the length of pull in my thick buttplate rifles, all 3 measured 13 1/4"-13 5/16". Steve i think you might have hit on something,special order for people with longer arms. If not they would have cut the stocks down so they would all be standard 13"!!! MAYBE !  Don
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I just pulled my .303 out of the safe with the thick plate (plate pictured earlier in this thread). The serial number of this rifle is 90.8xx. The length pull is 13 and 3/16th. Kind of funny, there is a triangle stamped after the last digit of the serial number. It is just slightly larger than the numbers and it looks and points like this: > with the a line filling in the open end (my keyboard does not have a triangle key). I've never seen it before and I don't think I ever lettered this rifle. Don: MAYBE!
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The serial looks like 133xxx but can't be positive.
I thought there might be some connection between the end of the thick and the start of the thin but I have an 1899-A TD, 83xxx, with the thin hard rubber plate. this is the confusing part for me as well... I have this one with a thin... 81.2xx
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The vast majority are thin plates. Heck, as Roe Clark points out, he had never even seen a thick plate before. Through the connectivity of the internet we are able pull several together but still, I think they represent very small fraction of production. The .38/55 short rifle I had was the first one I had ever seen and then later I bought the .303.
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yeah but most thin plates do not show up until after 120,000 or so... I am alomost 100% sure that I have seen more THICK HRBPs below 120,000 than THIN HRBPs below 120,000.
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Here is the, "Perris Special" (prototype gun) #49,0xx but also, the buttstock numbers didn't match. More for me to try to dig up. I always wondered if it left the factory with this stock on it. Perris tangled with Arthur Savage over several things he wanted. He wanted a lightweight gun but also fancy wood. Arthur pointed out to him that he couldn't have both. I often wondered if on this prototype rifle they pulled this particular stock of something else (or maybe it was a reject) because of the unusual appearance (sap or something running in the grain) thinking it looked like "fancy streaked" wood yet it was lighweight.  Perris also wanted hard rubber shotgun butts but was price conscious as well. Arthur wrote about the high cost of manufacturing shotgun butts due to breakage. Let me see if I can pull his exact words on the topic out. ![[Linked Image]](http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/steve004/Marlin/Savage/gunsafeandroom041.jpg)
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no picture!!!!!!!!!!! 
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Here is the, "Perris Special" (prototype gun) #49,0xx but also, the buttstock numbers didn't match. More for me to try to dig up. I always wondered if it left the factory with this stock on it. Perris tangled with Arthur Savage over several things he wanted. He wanted a lightweight gun but also fancy wood. Arthur pointed out to him that he couldn't have both. I often wondered if on this prototype rifle they pulled this particular stock of something else (or maybe it was a reject) because of the unusual appearance (sap or something running in the grain) thinking it looked like "fancy streaked" wood yet it was lighweight. Perris also wanted hard rubber shotgun butts but was price conscious as well. Arthur wrote about the high cost of manufacturing shotgun butts due to breakage. Let me see if I can pull his exact words on the topic out. The streaking in the wood I have been told was fire damage (water actually and not flames). That rifle went through a fire in the late 80's.
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Blair - very interesting - I never new that!
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B-man,
You mind either making a new post going over the Perris special with pictures or if you think you could find the original posting, could you bring it back to the top... I would like to read through and understand all of the info and see the pictures.
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It took me while to get what I was looking for but I have a G with the serial number 2997XX that also has the thick rubber butt plate. This one has the matching serial number on the stock but there is evidence of the stock being shaved to accomodate the contour of the butt plate. ![[Linked Image]](http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj304/romac2/IMG_1077.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj304/romac2/IMG_1076.jpg) I also found a picture of the butt end of the buttplate on the 1899 C that I posted earlier. It was made in february of 1907 and it was lettered by a former owner by Callahan and the rubber butt plate is referenced in the letter. I had forgotten about that. ![[Linked Image]](http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj304/romac2/sav1899c.jpg)
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is that the old 1895 HRBP?I know there are a few of those around on 1899s
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B-man,
You mind either making a new post going over the Perris special with pictures or if you think you could find the original posting, could you bring it back to the top... I would like to read through and understand all of the info and see the pictures.
thanks
I'll see if I can find some older threads. I know we have discussed these before and I am not the only one around here who owned a Perris Special.
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Drew, I have no clue if that is an 1895 butt plate. I wish I knew more. Is there anyplace where anyone ever tried to compile pictues of just butt plates? That would be interesting.
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Drew, That is one ,Savage Repeating Arms co. I have 2 1899's under 52,xxx and they have the thin Savage Repeating Arms co buttplates on them ,and the rifle s/n is written on them. Don
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