Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Savage Collectors 1941 99EG with Weaver T7 and Weaver 330 - factory? (Pic heavy)

No real way to tell, obviously. Unless some other folks have 1938-1941 99's with T7's and Weaver 330's? I think I saw a post where David has a 99T with them. If anybody does have pics, please post them up.

Heck, if you have a 30's 99 with T7 and 29S post up pics. We can use this thread as a reference in the future.

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That rifle is in beautiful shape Rory. I did not know that Savage would do this to their rifles at the factory.

How to determine if a T7 or S7 mount is factory is a question that has been asked many times over the years. I don't think we have seen one that lettered. Plus, the log books stopped Nov. 1937.

You would think that a factory jig would have been used to position the mount in a predetermined location. I've seen the mount set high, low, forward covering the carrier spindle head screw and back covering the sear screw. I wouldn't think the factory would have covered a screw head as the scope had plenty of room to move in the mount. So far I have not seen enough examples to draw a clear opinion of what a factory mount position should be. Given that Weaver sold the scope w/mount and bits for non-factory installation I suspect that a majority of these mounts were gun store/smith installed vs. trying to special order. Just my opinion.

The scope book lists that Weaver added the S mount in 1934 and the T mount in 1939.

Thanks, Rick. That's what I was hoping we could work towards if we can find enough pictures of rifles in this timeframe.

On mine, the position of the T7 being low and back over the screw seemed odd to me if it was factory, but it seems odd to me if it was done by a competent gunsmith as well. But of course the T7 comes off very easily, so maybe their goal was to get it as low as possible to the barrel and at the proper eye relief distance rather than evenly spaced between the screws on the side?

Given that the sear bolt head sticks up above the receiver I wouldn't expect to see a T-7 mounted in that position.

I have a couple of photos I've saved. I'll try to e-mail them to you. One important thing is to know the serial of the rifle. I've seen many that were mounted on rifles that were made at the wrong time to have the type of mount and scope on them.

198xxx, 1899H, 22HP.
1919 rifle, T7 wasn't even available then was it?
Haven't tried to letter 'cause I don't think it would.

Nope, that one Is too early. Probably looking for 99's in the range of 350,000 to 430,000.

That's how I really expect to see the base mounted though, but until we see more it's hard to get a feel for them. Also interesting to see a change in attachment, that one would be later, I would guess?

I would think if it was factory work that the drilled holes would be perfectly smooth and clean and the threads would possibly be blued rather than in the white....

This rifle is too early as well, but the location of the mount on my rifle is VERY close to yours.

I would expect the holes to be white. The mount would have been added after the rifle was built. As far as the mounting holes. You could either champher the hole before tapping OR more correctly drill with the correct tap drill for the given thread diameter and THEN drill in to the depth of one or two threads with a drill equal to the major diameter of the screw. Either technique prevents the metal from the screw hole from lifting and eventually fracturing.

Drew has the closest thing I have ever seen to a factory mounted T-7, if there even ever was such a thing...

IIRC it is a pre war R. Maybe he can post a pic.

Doubt it would given that it's got the wrong screws. The screws in the pic LBK posted are the correct ones.

here's a photo of my 99T w. T7 and 330 scope, serial #391xxx. It doesn't letter as having a scope and the screws are incorrect. I bought it this way. I shot it a few years ago and it seems like I ran out of elevation adjustment before I got it zeroed at 100 yds. It probably wasn't done at the factory.

That's a nice looking T! Serial number is too high to letter, but is in the range for a T7/330. Thx for the pic, David.

Easy to identify the Weaver screws with the "F" and "R" stamps.

I don't remember the screws being made different other than the markings. Comments?

I seem to remember a later version of screw that had more of an oversized wood screw head but still marked "F" and "R"... maybe just a bad dream?

I have some of the originals and I don't see any difference except for the letters.

Yes, there is a different style also stamped.

I have a G, 358,9xx with the T7 & 330. Looks good enough to have been factory installed.

Here is another with side mounted 330 scope that was sold recently on GB at this url.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=464776082

I would say a 40 or 41; checkering was added in 40, no guns from 42-46; its barrel marking was used 40-46

Very familiar somehow...

I wouldn't say that's another gun

Another picture? Maybe...

In 1937 scopes were pretty new and not widely used on centerfires. Savage was selling through their Jobbers and less direct orders. Gunsmiths were plentiful, unlike today.

My guess is that there were not a lot of factory scoped 99's sold. Most being added to an off-the-shelf purchased 99 by the local gunsmith. Or, added to one that you already owned.