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Tenure only means they have to tell you WHY you are being fired.

It's very easy to get rid of a teacher. You are untenured the 1st 3 years in any school system. If you move to another system the 3 year probation period starts over. During that 3 year period they can walk in and tell you to clean out your desk at any time for any reason or even no reason. And they don't have to give a reason, in fact they won't give a reason. It might simply be because the chairman of the board's daughter graduated from college, and they need to make a spot for her. I've seen that happen.

After you get tenure, they have to tell you why and be able to show documentation that you're not doing your job in court if the teacher fights it. I've seen a lot of them lose their job. It's easy to get bad teachers out if the administrators document the issues.

Reduction in Force.

If the job you do is no longer needed due to lower enrollment numbers or phasing out what you do even tenured teachers are let go. The year I retried our school was going to lose 1 teaching slot. I was on the fence as to whether I wanted to work one more year or not. Had I stayed they would have let the Art teacher go and done away with the Art Department. That made my decision a little easier.

Some type of shop classes would be HUGE. In fact, that is what I taught the 1st half of my career. They did away with it in the high schools. Kids who wanted to specialize in an area went to regular high schools 1/2 day then the VoTech school 1/2 day. They concentrated in one area and were job ready when they graduated.

That's not what I did. It was basic woodworking, basic metalworking and drafting. It was meant for kids to learn the basics of safely using tools and machines. Some went on to become skilled craftsmen, but most were college prep kids or regular ed kids who learned some skills that helped them later in life. We phased that out 20 years ago and I have former students approach me quite often and tell me how much my class helped them with basic home repair.

If nothing else they learned how to read a ruler down to 1/32". Most kids today have no idea what those lines are for between the big numbers.

Some of you fuggers have no idea, what do you wanna do with the [bleep] bag parents.

Therein is the real problem and the school can't fix that one.

Therein is the real problem and the school can't fix that one.

Yep. I get a kick out of listening to politicians rant about kicking azz on the schools to improve. The pink elephant in the room is the pos parents that produce a kid that is unable to conduct themselves in a classroom setting. The teachers are shot out of the saddle due to kids that can’t be taught. Take some time to talk to teachers about their experiences today. It will disgust you. That’s why I stated earlier that problem kids need to be removed from the classrooms.

welding, auto mechanics, and wood shop like we had in high school.

The root of it all has been the purposeful destruction of the family unit and enabling "parents" to live in such a way as to require constant taxpayer funded aid like welfare and foodstamps, etc. If these idiots had to get up every day and actually work for a living instead of having someone else pay their way through life we'd all be better off.

The way kids behave in school can't really be managed by the teachers anymore. Back in the day you got your butt busted and not allowed to get away with being bad. BUT after hearing what some of these teachers are doing in public schools I'm appalled. The grandson was talking about the foul language being used all the time and I asked if the teachers did anything about it. He told me the teachers cuss just as much. I asked one of the school board members about this and they were all aware but nothing gets done. When I went to school the teachers had good conduct. It seems not the case now.

We used to yell obscenities behind the shop teach’s back when he fired up the Powermatic planer. Somebitch was louder than an F-16. LOL

Kid is an àsshole in class...so he gets sent to principal office.


Principal gets cussed out by little àssholes mother...principal throws teacher under the bus to calm her down.


Teacher can't get any support from admin...so fugg it. Àssholes end up running the classroom.

[quote]Get rid of tenure. A teacher should be able to be fired easier if they are not good at their job.