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The Temple was still standing when Apostle Paul wrote, “there is neither Jew nor Gentile,” and, “for you are all one in Christ Jesus,” and, “if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring and heirs according to the promise.” Consider that. Jesus’ sacrifice removed the boundary that had been established by the Law of Moses and it restored people’s direct and immediate access to God Himself.

And then about 40 years after Jesus’ resurrection…after the New Covenant was begun…God allowed His Temple to be destroyed in Jerusalem. And it’s never been rebuilt since. So think about the trajectory of God’s story of redemption through history: He created humans who lived with Him until they messed up and disobeyed, and then they were cutoff from their direct and immediate access to God. But in His divine mercy God initiated this process for reconciling people to Himself.

Through the Tabernacle (under the Mosaic Law) that eventually became the Temple in Jerusalem, and then finally Jesus the Messiah came and restored our direct and immediate access to God. We maybe need to keep that in mind when we’re discussing the prophecies in scripture about the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, and whether or not they’re talking about a literal building.


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Pre-Jesus, what happened to all the folks who weren't lucky enough to be born a jew?

Rom 8:29-30 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

This passage is commonly used to say who God calls to salvation but that 1st phrase is usually overlooked - 'those God foreknew'. God knows everyone of us from creation. He knows exactly what we will do and what choices we will make if choices are offered. He foreknows our every move. Even if we never hear about Jesus, God foreknows whether we would chose to believe him if we did hear about him. It's not predestination. With that, we have no choice in the matter. God makes the choice. We do have a choice even if it never comes up. God know exactly what your choice would be. If you get the call, then rest assured that if you hear of Jesus in this life, you will accept him. If God knows you will refuse, you won't get called.
Jesus said that it's God's will that none should perish. He offers you a choice no matter who or where you are. You might never get to make the choice yourself but God knows what it would be. God wants you in heaven. No one who wants it will be turned away.


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What does Astana mean in Kazakh?

the capital city

On 6 May 1998 it was renamed Astana, which means "the capital city" in Kazakh.


keep Wiki telling yourself that

Another poor excuse. The language and name, has nothing to do with satan, Wiki or me.

Interesting to note that you're hot to trot to defend Satanists ...... And the first in line to bash Christians

Though you were a gAytheist ?


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Gen 12:1 Now the LORD said to Abram, "Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you.
2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."

Whether you like Jews or not, they're still God's chosen people. God says here that he will bless those who support them. The US has done so up to this point and we've been one of the great nations of the world. If (I should say 'when') we turn our backs on them, we'll have God's curse on us. People everywhere are turning away from Israel and look what's happening. Europe is falling to the Muslims and this country is corrupt and bowing to the deviants. Only bad will come out of this. Before the end, the entire world will be against Israel and this world will be ruled by Satan himself in the person of the anti-christ. He'll be short lived but entirely evil. Israel will stand alone...but God will fight for them and they will prevail, not as Jews but as Christians because they will recognize Jesus for who he really is.

Jews comprised only a small portion of the Hebrew Tribes. Judah, Benjamin and half the Levites left the Tribes of Abraham, the Hebrews and formed the Southern Empire and they referred to themselves as Jews. The remaining Tribes of the Hebrews became the Northern Empire called Israel.

The Jews were taken over by Ancient Babylon and later the Tribes of Israel were taken over by the Assyrians and transported North East. Think, Aryan nations. After ages they worked their way to freedom and moved northward and over the Caucasus Mts and from there to the great western shore and compromised (?New) Iberia (Spain), Netherlands, Denmark (Mark of Dan), Ireland, Scotland, Sweden, Great Britain (contraction of Great Birth Nation). They became the Lost Tribes of Israel. They were lost to modern history, not lost to GOD.

The veil is being lifted and will reveal the Great Deception. There are two Israel's. One who GOD referred to when HE said "All of Israel will be saved" and the other Israel built by the Balfore Accords and Rothschilds.

Who was GOD referring to all those hundreds of years that existed before the nation state of Israel? Who was HE referring to in Gen 12:3 800, 500, 300, 100 years ago when there was no Nation of Israel? He was referring to HIS Believers. We Believers are HIS ISRAEL.

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In Kings and Chronicles, the Bible lists all the kings of Israel. Right after Solomon died, Israel did the split with Judah and Benjamin becoming Judah and the rest becoming Israel. The Bible tells about every one of the kings in both kingdoms. In Judah, there were good kings and bad ones. Some were God fearing men while others were totally evil. In Israel, however, there was never a single Godly king. Every single one of them was an idol worshiping pagan.
God sent the Assyrians to destroy Israel and they never recovered. The Assyrians left a handful of the people there but even after that, they never turned back to God. God later sent the Babylonians to deal with Judah and they, too, were hauled off into exile. However, a generation later they were allowed to return and most of them did turn back to God.

This all can be traced back to when Israel came out of Egypt. They were told to kill every single person in Canaan. The Canaanites were totally evil , sacrificing their children to fire gods. The Israelites failed to finish the job and left many Canaanites alive, along with their pagan gods. This failure to carry out God's orders haunted them from then on. Israel was never cleansed of the false gods that eventually led to their downfall.


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IF the temple is rebuilt, will the Aaronic Priesthood return???


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It would have been unthinkable for a Jew under the Mosaic Law to even consider approaching God’s throne of grace with confidence and freedom like Jesus’ followers can now. Not even the high priest back then did that. But then something tremendously significant happened.

There’s an issue regarding the prophecies about the future rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem: some people believe that followers of Jesus today still need to be keeping the Mosaic Law, and that issue has to do with God’s presence. In the Torah there’s a proximal aspect to holiness so that the closer you are to God’s presence the closer you are to His blessing. And the further you are from God’s presence the further you are from His blessing.

In the beginning we humans had direct access to God. Then we humans disobeyed God and messed it up and sin entered the world. And humans were cast out of God’s immediate presence. And later, through the family of Abraham, and through the giving of the Law of Moses at Mt. Sinai, God began restoring human access to His presence.

God’s presence was in the Tabernacle, but under the Law of Moses, direct access to God’s presence was highly regulated. People couldn’t just wander into it. Only one person in all of Israel was allowed in the Most Holy Place, and then only just once a year. This whole set-up kept people at a distance, and made it clear that the direct immediate access that people once had to God had not been restored.

The Tabernacle later became a permanent Temple in Jerusalem. And it had the same holiness hierarchy that the Tabernacle had: the further you went in, the more holy it got, and the more restrictive it became. But as Jesus hung on the cross, He uttered a loud cry and breathed His last breath, and the curtain of the Temple that allowed access to the Most Holy Place was torn in two from top to bottom.

At Jesus’ death, this hierarchy of access to God’s presence was literally demolished. This curtain…prescribed in the Law of Moses…was destroyed at the death of the Messiah, and it was God Himself who destroyed it. Under the New Covenant that Jesus brought in, individual followers of Jesus can now have direct and immediate access to God. People can now…with confidence and freedom…approach God’s throne of grace and receive mercy and find grace to help in their time of need (Hebrews 4:16).

Honest question.

Pre-Jesus, what happened to all the folks who weren't lucky enough to be born a jew?


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IF the temple is rebuilt, will the Aaronic Priesthood return???
Thats a good question too. The Law of Moses requires that all priests must come from the tribe of Levi. That’s why it was called the Levitical priesthood. The New Testament, however, teaches that Jesus is now our high priest. But He didn’t come from the tribe of Levi, Jesus is from the tribe of Judah.

So a high priest from the tribe of Judah is a “change” in the Law of Moses. Even though the Law of Moses clearly forbids changes, no adding to it and no taking away from it.


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When discussing the prophesies in scripture about the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, does it mean a literal building…? In scripture the Tabernacle and the Temple are symbols of God’s presence with His people, so in the final age when God is ruling over the new Heaven and the new earth, what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve…?

And what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve before the final age (as in nowadays)…?
It will be rebuilt as the seat of The Beast, and nothing else.

There was once a Roman Emperor who was a filo-Semitic. He handed over to a Jewish architect unlimited financial backing to reconstruct the Temple in Jerusalem. He immediately went to work to rebuild it, but his workers kept getting incinerated by jets of fire that would blast from unknown sources underground. Eventually, all the workers quit over this, and the project was abandoned.

It wasn't yet time for the rule of Antichrist.
Maybe the building of the mosque marked the rule of an anti-Christ.


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Originally Posted by Tyrone
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Originally Posted by antlers
When discussing the prophesies in scripture about the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, does it mean a literal building…? In scripture the Tabernacle and the Temple are symbols of God’s presence with His people, so in the final age when God is ruling over the new Heaven and the new earth, what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve…?

And what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve before the final age (as in nowadays)…?
It will be rebuilt as the seat of The Beast, and nothing else.

There was once a Roman Emperor who was a filo-Semitic. He handed over to a Jewish architect unlimited financial backing to reconstruct the Temple in Jerusalem. He immediately went to work to rebuild it, but his workers kept getting incinerated by jets of fire that would blast from unknown sources underground. Eventually, all the workers quit over this, and the project was abandoned.

It wasn't yet time for the rule of Antichrist.
Maybe the building of the mosque marked the rule of an anti-Christ.
Satan won't try to replace a fake like Allah. He knows who the real God is and that's who he wants to replace.


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Makes no difference. Red heifers, temples none of these things matter. The only thing that matters is accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. No one should be happy to see any events involving these things. We are to just be looking up for our redemption, our meeting of Jesus in the air.

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Looking into it more, I think the Al Aqsa mosque might be the 3rd temple. It really is the seat of the/an anti-Christ, with Islam containing about 1/3 of the World's population.


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better build something on it quick before the mormon slap one of theirs on it!

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Originally Posted by Tyrone
Looking into it more, I think the Al Aqsa mosque might be the 3rd temple. It really is the seat of the/an anti-Christ, with Islam containing about 1/3 of the World's population.

There was a Roman temple to Jupiter built on the Temple Mount.



Who was Jupiter? Jupiter was what the Romans called the Greek God Zeus. Who did the Bible say Zeus was? Well, there is little about Zeus directly but in Revelation 2:13, Jesus addresses the church in Pergamum and says that they live where “…Satan has his throne.” What does that mean? Pergamum was home to the greatest temple to Zeus in the ancient world and the Pergamum altar can be see in Berlin today. So Zeus was Satan according to Jesus.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/fron...%20summit%20of%20Pergamon's%20acropolis.


So there was already temple literally dedicated to Satan constructed upon the Temple Mount. Now what about the Abomination of Desolation. Several ancient sources tell us there was an equestrian statue of Emperor Hadrian erected on the Temple Mount and a few of them say it was on the site the Holy of Holies had occupied.

So, who was Hadrian. Hadrian was, of course the emperor and emperor’s were sort of generically divine. However, some scholarship suggest that a major part of Hadrian’s rule, particularly in the east was his heavy emphasis on his divine nature and the explicit promulgation of the official policy that he was the embodiment of Jupiter on earth. It’s unsurprisingly a little like the Pope to Catholics since the Catholic church is Roman in its ideas and structure but much stronger than how the Pope is taken still it wouldn’t be entirely wrong to say Hadrian was Jupiter’s vicar on earth. Who was Jupiter? Jesus said he was Satan. So Hadrian was Satan’s vicar on earth.


https://vridar.org/2022/05/28/hadrian-the-god/

What was the Abomination of Desolation? Well, Daniel said it was a foreign king who “…established an an abomination that makes desolate.” Well, we’ve established that Hadrian establish a temple to Satan on the Temple Mount. That’s the abomination brought by the empire and Hadrian. Now, a famous quote from a barbarian conquered by the Romans went something like, “You Romans make a desert and call it peace.” And of course, the Romans had so completely destroyed Jerusalem that is was uninhabited for more than fifty years.

It just fits too neatly. Herod’s Temple was destroyed. Around 70 years later a Temple to Satan was built in it’s place by a man who considered himself thr sonnof and embodiment of Jupiter/Satan and claimed to rule in his name. And if you want to get real prophetic, this Temple to Satan was later destroyed when Christianity became the official religion of the empire and Christianity destroyed the pagan empire of Rome and converted it to Western Christendom.

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