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Just a friendly heads up that Natchez has free Hazmat shipping and they have IMR4895 and 4064 in stock for the first time in quite awhile!! Prices make me wanna vomit but.... if you need it its available

Thanks

Anyone notice how they make powders non available and then suddenly THEY ARE available... at Drug Dealer Pricing?

So do you folks think there really is a shortage, or the market is being played, but those getting marketing consultation from the Cartels, or is it that the Cartels have seen the money they can make in the shooting world and have been heavily investing it it to clean up, considering " any gun political climates"?


You know these people expect us to believe what ever they tell us.... and in response, the public believes every little world these people say.... yet the problems can be solved by just doubling and later tripling the market price.

Funny how that works if you are paying attention.

WE have a market shortage of nitrocellulose.. for the first time in "forever.". so the marketing people, shut down products and then reopen with the price doubled, but its suddenly "AVAILABLE".....

we're getting stroked, and the DNCC and the Communists are heavily involved and every one follows lock step in line.

Don't believe it? :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes

Then tell me what's any difference?

Leave it to the Konspiracy Theorists to turn a folktale into a conspiracy……geeez, Seafire you can do better than that.

It’s a conspiracy alright, it’s called the ambition of Putin and Ping—something dictators have been doing since people invented civilizations.

Well A.C.

Hans Christian Anderson's story was written from the focus of children and their perspective.
Doing it that way he did offend adults with power.

No but being in regional management at times in a 40 year career in Corporate America, that way makes it easy enough even our leftist campfire rocket scientist can follow the concept.

Seen those methods used over and over again, to jack up prices. Took me just 60 days on my first job out of college, to see it in action. We were suppose to contact customers, give them this scripted song and dance, and then give them to buy product before the price went way up due "to shortage" and future limited availability?

IN 1999 remember when all the computer systems were going to fail, and the customers needed to buy a new computer that was 2K compliant? Well any ' Non Y2K' compliant computer worked just fine at Midnight Jan 1, 2000.

If we have a shortage of nitrocellulose, why do we still have powder available? They ' don't have any nitrocellulose ' IM
R 4895 and 4064 at $20, $30 or $40 a pound.. but they have a whole bunch of it available at $60 a pound? Same with 3031 if you checked the web sites or the companies that have it available.

Nitocellulose is used in all sorts of stuff, but I'm not finding other products looking at severe shortages of it, just in making rifle and shotgun powder.... NO one thinks that isn't a little odd?

I've been with companies that have done the same thing to drive up sagging prices. My own customers in the field, when they have been in a panic, I just told them to not worry about it, I can still get them all they want at the pricing they were currently getting it at. Unlike the other reps in the market at the time, I wasn't dropping my drawers on pricing like so many other reps did, just to secure an order. I sold product on what it could do and what need it satisfied. To many others couldn't do that, they just sold it on low ball price to keep their job. They created their own problem in the field.

But no one can convince me that this entire shortage isn't being ' manufactured' by Corporate and Governmental agencies just to fit a politiical agenda.....and a mutual beneficial outcome for both entities.


If you are going to lie to the public, at least come up with something belieavable. Corporate Level and Governmental Agencies don't even feel they need to take two seconds to do for the public... You think the companies in the industry aren't going to playball with Uncle Sam, when they can get big contracts from him, instead of having to sell their product to the civilian market in small increments instead?

As usual, a nine paragraph reply without a single piece of specific evidence, but with lots of general bitching, full of vague accusations everybody is out to get you, while continuing to avoid whats happening in the world around you—the stuff of conspiracy theorists.

Quick, without googling it what else is nitrocellulose used for besides “lots of stuff”?

There is now unprecedented demand, get it through your head.
Go ahead and deny it—it’s a lot easier for low information voters to blame conspiracies.

i find it odd myself Ukraine is the size of texas and the current sand box fighting is the size of what I am not sure...
we had a war in Iraq for over ten years and no real shortage that I can remember and current ammo can still be had for maybe 5.00 more a box than before in hornady whitetail so I dont know but have a hard time believing everything I hear....large companys are gouging for sure while they can

It doesn't make me happy to look at sky high prices on ammo and now powder. But I will not.let myself be disarmed because of it. Do not buy or buy. That is the choice we make. But do not let yourself be disarmed for a lack of ammunition. Like a full and deep pantry, there is no down side to a large full ammo box.

I just wonder why there is such a shortage of powder when there is a lot fewer shooters much less reloaders than 10 yrs. ago or so!

I go to the local rifle range quite a bit and most shooters are shooting "Black Rifles" and shooting factory ammo. There seems to be far fewer reloaders around.

I tell people that if you are going to buy a new rifle----buy either a .223/5.56, 6.5 Creed or a .308W because you can get all the free brass you want just for the picking. One guy was shooting Lapua factory ammo and throwing the spent brass in the brass bucket and walking away! Alas I didn't own a .223 at the time.


Hip

Gene
When we went into Afghanistan Poland wasn't arming up--they are now. When we went into Iraq the Phillipines weren't arming up--they are now. We have more developed countries than ever, and they have more modern militaries. Just look at how many countries are buying our frontline F-35 fighter--nothing like that has ever happened before.

Japan and Germany are spending a larger proportion of their GDP since.......1945.

Demand is unprecedented because there are more modern militaries than ever--even compared to WWII. And it 's a dictator in Europe invading European countries and a dictator in Asia challenging everybody it can that is bringing bak memories of the 1930's. Those countries don't want a repeat.

Under normal circumstances there would be plenty of powder and primers, but not in the face of this kind of demand.

Five rounds from a artillary peice burns more propellent than seafire has stashed in his closet. Handloading is at the very end of the supply chain, we're the last hairs on the taill of the dog. For some, who are unaware of the world around them,handloading might be everything, but it represents a tiny, tiny fraction of the propellent used in the world.

I'm as pizzed as anybody else about this.........

If folks have all the supplies they need for the rest of their lives, that’s fine. But for others, I suspect if they don’t buy now, one day they will wish they had.

I would not be surprised to find out that all governments are stocking and restocking war materials. Most of these items would go unnoticed. Are you seeing any other shortages? Food, medicine and the like? And if so, would it be noticed?

Casey,

Because it was you and you're one of the guys I have respected for years. 9 paragraphs or two... that is my response.

I know what I see, being in the corporate world for eternity. I respect you perspective, its your choice to do what ever you want with mine. I don't know how you get a victim status out of that but okay.. If I gave a 20 year old kid, all the things I have, he'd be shooting until he's my age, and probably still have plenty of stuff on the shelf. If I get shortsheeted by some company, that's fine with me. When they do it to others, then I have an issue to voice.

Increase price and shortages isn't going to effect me at this point. But companies hurting their market and customers just to make more money, I have an issue with that. They won't see much of my money, if at all. I have no problem to stop shooting and stop hunting. I'd rather go for a walk in the woods with a rifle, than necessarily take a game animal. I don't need the feeling of conquest, or feeling like a hero for bringing home venison. Heck for the last 30 to 40 years, I've given away more venison etc, than I've kept and ate.

So you follow your road my friend, and I'll follow mine. Your perspective has my respect., because its yours.

Fair enough Seafire, same to you.

Like a lot of us I have enough components to keep me in elk meat the rest of my life.

My concern is young guys trying to get into handloading. Without LR primers there are probably plenty of people who simply don’t have that critical component to get started.

I was in Canada this afternoon. Stopped by the outdoor store and they had IMR 4350 for $114.99 CDN plus tax per pound.

Oh my ouch!!