Shrapnel I try and sing the rhythm in my head, for example if the haul is after the stop I would count/sing it as the old Lawrence Welk count down of " one- and -uh, two-and-uh" one being the back cast stop and two being the forward cast stop with the haul and release in between .

if you do the haul before the stop I would could count/sing it as " an-one-an, an-two-an." I know it is all pretty instantaneous or fluid but for me if I can sing the rhythm I can feel it and make my hands do it. Thanks for your help.

Last edited by bangeye; 11/02/15.