If everybody was logical and honest we'd have had something like 1.16" in case, .24 cal or larger.

but most people are stupid and or suck.

Do wonder if rifle does well, we see the gun season shortened, and or moved back a week.

Haven' seen good deer numbers where I hunt since '90. Hell back then in mid/north central you could throw a rock and kill a 100" 8 pt.

Less deer, higher take, less land available (leases going up too)..........who knows what the future will bring.