Shot my only one with a 140 vld out of a 6.5. It died on its feet and rolled down hill a little. Son shot one with a 115 grain ballistic tip and it never got out of bed. If I draw another tag, will be shooting the 140 vld again with no hesitation. Advantage also if you hit shoulders, you have no exit wounds and torn up capes with the 140 vld. Love those things.