Oh and wicked edge sharpeners are like mansion crowning tools. Peddle faster stupid. Remember when you could not stop posting pictures of your hacking off( "spouts" retard speak for barrel) With a hack saw then found that awsome crowning tool. Thanks to me. Oh and mule deer can't take all the credit. Thank me later. Get the pro PAC II add 50-80 and ceramic 1200-1600. The leather are awsome but the come with the kit. Poor poor little retarded Larry.