I guess that may be my confusion , the .358 , 225 grain that I had used on moose were packaged by Speer . The supply I had was 10 years old or older and when looking to replace could only purchase through federal as loaded . I was told federal had told Speer to only sell as loaded ammo.
Thus my comparison .
I had always considered them to be the next level of quality in the Speer line over hot core and grand slam.
