an old 8mm mouser hits harder and the ammos cheaper at about 4.50 a20round pack so wile you can shoot a charging bear with a 7mm-08 a shoulder hit will proble piss him off wile the 8mm with cheap ammo will leave it stumbling a round on 3 legs woundering wat hit it the gun i have will punch through a tree a foot&a half thick and keep going the 7mm-08 my friend had bullets busted about 2 inchs inside the tree dont get me wrong wile a dear would be dear would die easy from that a bad shoot on a bear with out enuf punch can be lead to a very painful death for a hunter be careful hunt safe make shure you have enuf gun for the you dear you planed on and the bear you dent.
