Originally Posted by Longbob
Originally Posted by chesshirecat


dead wrong here. The originl six from back in the early 1990's was, but even then with many mods to it. Chrysler paid cash up front for the R&D, and even went so far as to buy the equipment to manufacture it. At the time Cummins needed the working capital, and signed an exclusive contract with Chrysler. Ford tried to buy the same engine more than once, and were turned away. The next generation was completely owned by Chrysler, and the following versions the same after that. Cummins did develope the motor, but trust me they didn't have a dime invested in it. Now Chrysler owns all the copyrights to it as well as the intellectual property rights. And before you ask who my source was; let me put it to you this, he was the head of all manufacturing and he only answered to the board of directors. That would be Mr. Lucas himself, and if you worked there you worked for him; no matter what plant you were in.
gary


These are your words and you are absolutely wrong. I have up the entire quote so nothing can be taken out of context. Cummins and Case did all the development on the 5.9 6BT, not Chrysler. Chrysler does not "own all the copyrights to it as well as the intellectual property rights." There is no reference to pickup trucks. You focusing on the entire research and development of the motor and it's offsprings.

Cummins did not get the working capital from Chrysler to help save their company. They got it from Ford, Tenneco, and Kubota to the tune of about $250 million.


then explain why we had them on dynos back in the early 1980's and late 1970's? Once again you are caught adding to the thread outta context. You cannot take a commercial engine and use it in a pickup truck without some major revisions. They have to meet the EPA spec, and a medium duty engine simply won't.I assume that Case had input on their useage in the design, but a tractor engine ain't gonna work well in a medium duty powerpack. We were doing MT650 series gearboxes for them in the 1970's that were used in large school busses, and the MT was shutting down in the mid 1980's. Once again my source was from Mr. Lucas himself, and everybody in manufacturing worked for Mr. Lucas.
gary