OK !! I got the Tipton carbon rod and the Tipton 22 jag. So far... I HATE THEM !! I may have just ruined my wifes 223 Pdog gun just trying to get a patch down the barrel it is so tight. I have always used double napped white cotton flannel for patches and never had a problem. Without the tip even on the rod it is very touchy about being in perfect alignment or it binds up. I got a long rod and a shorter one, so I will try the other one in the morning but as of right now I am going to have to send them back. I am NOT going to run those rods down any of my custom guns... for sure !!
