The C4 scopes are much different than the old ones. I didn't like the old ones either. The C4 scopes come out of the same factories that put out Nikon and Bushnell. They are the same as the E1 Fullfields but with the dialing turrets. The one I shot at SHOT show on the frigid cold media day dialed perfectly. I like my current E1's but I use the drop reticle so I font need to dial.
