no i really dont think it is a stunt on both counts but we were talking hunting rifles. i wont get into a popo match with anybody i was giving my .02 worth of thought on the matter of the orginal post question. i respect everybodies right to thought and ideas. .. i have killed elk with handgun and rifle by the way and know my limit, too old to be running over mt. and valleys. god bless you all and have fun on the hunt. D O M I T !