The doe was shot with a 60 Gr Partition and was hit behind the shoulder.. not much blood and we have clear cuts that at nite are a wooley booger to find a deer or hog in. I have killed a ton of deer in my life.. not an expert.. but have never witnessed a bang flop with a .223 or a .243.. and I have loaded everything from .85gr Sierra up to 100gr Partitions.