sorry gentlemen. I hope I didnt open Pandoras box.... BTW... I just picked up a .204 in a model 10 savage for $400 and with factory 32g accutips it's pretty awesome. Can't wait to load for it. Even shot a field tipped arrow at 50yds left at the range. First shot took the nock, second and third in the shat. Should of saved the arrow...lol

Thanks to all that suggested that i 'NEED' one.... smile