Originally Posted by derby_dude
Originally Posted by nighthawk
The Vatican as a nation-state? As a matter of protocol, sure. No standing army unless you count a company or two of Swiss Guards, no political agenda, no influence outside it's 110 acres except regarding morality. And if people should reject statements on morality no repercussions except that they get prayed for. Just like Caesar's empire.

I would say that you cannot have an organized religion without some type of structure, not particularly what we might call a government. (See Islam for that.)


Not as a matter of protocol. Mussolini made the Vatican a nation state. One doesn't need an army to be a nation state. Europe has a number of nation states that do not have an army.

UN member nation too. What I mean is that the Vatican exercises governmental authority within its borders but not beyond. Just moral authority which all are free to ignore. Except for doctrine even Catholics.


The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh

Which explains a lot.