Woodchuck Den, for Kindlers, if he still makes them. Pricey but work extremely well in everything I have put them in. Chan Nagle is apparently back up and running. Someone on Saubier will have his contact. No website. I have not bought bullets for a while. I thought Berger was going to keep the 25. Heard somewhere that 17 jackets moved to a price point little guys had to stop.
