Sounds like your getting it done! Hopefully pics follow.
Here is my understanding of eastern versus western "point" counting.
Eastern= count all points you can hang a ring on on both sides. End it with ER as in thirty pointER.
Western= count one side all points bigger than an inch. Do not count the eye gaurd. If both sides have same amount call it just by one side.As in a four point. If sides vary call it a 4 by 5 or whatever.
Calling them a 4 by 4 is IMO very gay.(Very qausi eastern)
