OK, Woody, here ya go.

Here's the bullet I shoot in my 45-70. BACO 535 gr. money bullet. 444 as cast 16:1, paper patched to .450.

A couple of notes about the attached pics. The bare bullet was found in the sand at 1540 yards, after three of its brethren had hit the mounted steel Indians at a Billy Dixon shoot. Note that patched to ride the lands, it seems to have slugged up nicely to be engraved by the rifling. It's hard to see the rear detail, but the force of the burning powder caused the base to dish a bit, and take a perfect impression of the paper folds.

Patched bullet in the pic wasn't one of my best efforts, but it's basicaly what my bullets look like. I try to do it neater.

Paul

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