Originally Posted by ConradCA
Originally Posted by T LEE
F4 Phantom

The F4 is a terrible fighter, to heavy and unmaneuverable. They didn't put guns on them until they starting losing a lot of them in air combat. It was outclassed by Migs.


Close.
Outclassed as a blanket statement is not quite fair or accurate:
While lacking in turn RATE, it outclassed the migs in other areas such as climb/dive rate and of course much better missile armaments. Bottom line, don't get in a low altitude turning fight with Mig 17s, 19s or even 21s, unless you know WTF u are doing. Once we remembered how to FIGHT and not just intercept, our kills ratios were significantly higher than Migs. Yes, TRAINING was a big component. The Navy F-4s NEVER got a gun whilst the USAF F4-E variant and follow-ons did.

Overall it was a SUPERB airframe and an especially good fighter-bomber, outclassed is a bit of a stretch.


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