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In 'The Friends of Voltaire' Evelyn Beatrice Hall wrote the phrase: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" (which is often misattributed to Voltaire himself) as an illustration of Voltaire's beliefs. Hall's quotation is often cited to describe the principle of freedom of speech. - from Wikipedia

The flip side is that others get to voice their opinion on what TwoTrax is sayin' also.

But 'banning' him from this sight because of his opinion on this particular issue is weak and laughable.
Good grief...!

I'm sick of telling people where they're wrong. Where is it my responsibility. I fought Bob all over the Universal Registration thing at least twice. We're talking about people who are invested and should know better, not some twenty-one year old mom who was raised in the suburbs in a culture of liberalism.

To sum it up for some of you hard-heads, "compromise" generally means you give a little to get a little. What are they offering? Compromise is not when you give up less than you would have. That's simply giving up less than you would have or giving up something that's not yours. Some of us have fought thousands of these battles over three or four decades. We have protected YOUR rights with OUR words and treasure.

Some of y'all are lucky I'm not the site owner or administrator because I wouldn't tolerate ANY anti-gun crap on this site.

Saying that we HAVE to compromise or even talk about this stupidity is ignorant. We've beaten it several times and will beat it this time. Compromisers need to just go away and shut up. They've already been proven wrong multiple times.

Toomey is a RHINO, but that's about all you can expect to get in Pennsylvania. The alternative is a Dem, and while Toomey will do dumb chit like this, he keeps the GOP Majority.

This is nothing but pandering to a special interst at a sensationalist time. Nothing will come of it.

Joe Manchin is a liar. We all expect that from Democrats. Remember when John Kerry wanted to be the next POTUS. He did a photo op wearing brand new hunting clothes. We need liar control.

Two questions on this issue:

1. Do you believe that someone convicted of numerous violent felonies should be entitled to own a gun?

2. Do you believe that someone who is medically certified as insane should be allowed to own a gun?

In my opinion, the answer to both inquiries is negative. A person who has such little disregard for the rights of others that he would commit numerous violent felonies, should not only serve time, but should also forfeit his right to own a gun. Similarly, if someone is clearly and certifiably insane, that person lacks the mental capacity to own a gun. I doubt few sane people would disagree with these concepts. But both limit the absolute, unfettered right of gun ownership, so both could arguably be deemed "compromise".

If you disagree with these concepts, and believe the identified groups should be entitled to gun ownership, would you and your children knowingly move into a house next door to a group of such folks who did all own guns?

The problem is not so much with felons, as that is a clear standard, but with the purported mental incompetents. The problem there is WHAT is an acceptable standard for mental incompetence for gun ownership, and WHO is capable of making that determination? the legislatures obviously will go far overboard in expanding the prohibited class. If, however, there was a PERFECT way to determine who mentally could not understand the rights and responsibilities of gun ownership, that would be an acceptable standard. The problem is that there is no perfect way to do so, and too many worthy people would be stripped of their ownership rights.

make drugs illegal, problem solved.......no more drugs harming folks


heck make sure we crack down on the drug dealers, if ANYONE moves 10K out of their bank in cash (hard to buy a decent used truck for 10K, the gov't will KNOW and stop the drug barons


should work about the same with guns, if history is any indication.

you'll never disarm the criminals......right Mexico?


but you can disarm the sheeple


sad times we live in, to see the grains of sand of freedom for the individual trickling through the hour glass


even with it's flaws our Constitution was the greatest document ever created to recognize that each person is a citizen and not a subject

but so many people desire to be ruled

My position is that the federal government was never given the authority to regulate guns under the Constitution. Therefore it falls to the States to do that if they wish and can get it passed in their legislatures.
That is how it is supposed to be, not how it is. The federal government has exceeded its authority.
Individuals have rights. Government does not. It does have authority to govern by the consent of the governed. This consensual authority was enumerated in the Constitution and gun control is not listed in the enumerated powers.

he seems to reflect most of the GOP senators. Not all, not yet, but most. The GOP is obama's bitch now.

Obama is just a figure-head. Both parties are in it for exactly the same thing; absolute power and control over the populace. All the political "fighting" is just kabuki theater designed to amuse and confuse the masses (and it works).

Remember that Manchin/Toomey are the same 2 jackazzes that darn near got the "Universal Background Checks" B.S. passed the last time.

(That led up to the hissy fit Obwan had in the Rose Garden when it failed to pass.)

Myron

If we wanted to stop all violence in the world it would be pretty easy. Euthanize every child born. Pretty soon there would be no one killing people. It is for the children.

1. Yes...as soon as they get through serving their life sentence.

2. Yes...as soon as the doctor in the asylum assumes responsibility for their release.

Slight edit, but otherwise I agree with the Lt.

PA garter snake. Essentially toothless, though they do secrete a nasty smelling substance from their cloaca (essentially schitting itself) when you deal with them.

Every time something happens they try to get more gun control passed. Even if it is useless they keep trying. We have to keep watch so they do not slip something through.

Laffin,....come back and talk to us on gun control when the Gov't "allows" you to hunt on Sundays...

The fatal flaw with your proposal is just how FedGov will define "mental illness". You know that it will be a slippery slope surely exploited by the communists to include seeing a psychologist/psychiatrist/family counselor for ANY reason. Your wife has post-partum depression? Lifetime BAN on gun ownership to include NO guns in her house. I'm not exaggerating because "they" always go to any length to deny gun ownership.

There is no one responsible for your safety but yourself. The cops can't get there fast enough and were never meant to be a security detail for each citizen. When it comes to criminals, they will have everything at their diposal to execute whatever misdeed they intend, more than likely it's a firearm and probably not legally obtained. So, in the spirit of self preservation, you better be well equipped to take on any future misfortune by arming yourself accordingly.

But that is not the intent of the 2nd amendment. The intent was to keep the government subdued by the will of the people, by keeping the people armed. The 2nd Amendment is the backbone of the Bill of Rights. Whether it be cut away with a spoon or a hacked out with an axe, if it is compromised in any manner the rest of the Bill of Rights will fall like a house of cards and we will become subjects to the government instantly! The government can't even do it's job with protecting our borders from outside enemies, why would you believe it has any of our best interests In mind when it comes to protecting what's between our borders? Never give an inch, they don't and never will deserve it.

If they are deemed safe enough to walk amongst us in society, they should be deemed safe enough to have the same Constitutional rights as everyone else.

Any argument to the contrary is an indictment of either the justice system, or the mental health profession. Not our 2nd Amendment.



Travis