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Why do you bastards want to piss me off, again?

It was fine for Texas

Now, you all quit with the TRUTH. Birdy will get his knickers all in a twist.

Well, you see, it's complicated...

No inconsiderable amount of irony in that statement considering the responses.

Sir, I am just quoting verbatim and entirely in-context from the text you recommended <"shrug">

Anyhoo... the fact of the Northern States freeing their slaves during or shortly after the Revolution was included because it seems most of you guys would like to write out any moral considerations at the time from the equation entirely.

At least all of you guys have been obliged to backpedal and now talk in terms of slavery not being an ONLY cause of secession (as opposed to NOT the cause) while repeatedly and falsely accusing me of stating the same

Probably other causes will be addressed later in the book I dunno.

Stay tuned and thanks again for the book reference.

Birdwatcher

History often is, except to the simple-minded.

I'm glad you finally admit your short-comings, as NO ONE but you has claimed the War of Northern Aggression was not complicated.

How many threads are you going to f'k up with your idiocy?

I did? Where? (ans: nowhere of course, in fact you yourself just got done ridiculing me for saying history is complicated)



OK, I cite a recommended source verbatim and entirely in-context specifically addressing the original topic and I get this?...... geeze, where's an eye-roll emoticon when you need it?

But... onwards with the topic...

Birdwatcher

The North didn't invade because of slavery; that's been a consistent position from those you refuse to grant any credit to at all throughout all of these threads for YEARS.

BTW - Texass seceded from Mexico, in part, because of slavery; something you refuse to admit.

Every single one of the points you've made in support of Texass secession from Mexico can be laid on top of Southern secession from the U.S., as well as the issue of slavery being a cause of Texass secession that you refuse to admit; yet, you support one while opposing the other, even in the face of your own arguments, logic, historical fact, and law.

You remain inconsistent, illogical, counterfactual, and intellectually dishonest.

Nope. Never was my position at all.



I figure you repeatedly and willfully mispelling "Texas" that way is a miscalculation on your part. Honestly, to me it only makes you look foolish, and doubtless some other folks here find it offensive.

As for the rest, folks can see that other thread (insert eyeroll icon here).

Now, back to the topic please....

Birdwatcher

Reading comprehension; add it to the list of things that you need to improve upon.

Those that continue to point out your shortcomings on this have been consistent that the North did not invade in order to "free the slaves"; ergo, slavery was not their motive for the war. In concert with that, the Southern states were well within their rights, as protected by the Constitution, to secede. Slavery was, whether you admit it or not, legal in the U.S. at the time and the U.S. had been a slave-nation for nearly a century. The words of Lincoln himself put his agenda on invasion on economics and on an unconstitutional edict to force states to remain in the Union when they had voted to leave.

You continue to state that slavery was the main driver; it could not have been if it were not the reason for the unconstitutional invasion and even more so if six of the eventual 13 Confederate states (and the second four to secede) did so because of the unconstitutional invasion of the original seven states.



You can't stay on topic. The intentional misspelling counters your intentional obfuscation of fact. When you learn consistency and logic, I'll return the favor by spelling the slave-nation that seceded from Mexico in part due to slavery correctly.

The Tindall and Shi book is a good general US History book not a definitive History of or study of the Civil War and its causes.

Big difference between the two.

I never said it was the main motive, I have always said for the vast majority of those half a million Union men (you guys always try to hang the whole thing on Lincoln, as if he was acting alone instead of with enormous popular support) the motive for war was to "Preserve the Union".

However it would be absurd to discount the effect of the Abolition movement on the politics of both sides.



IIRC an implied right, as in one of those things not specifically enumerated. I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong.



Slavery was an evil that blighted everything it touched, including unfortunately the Southern cause, to this very day. You wanna get rid of those Southern flags in public places? All you'd really have to do is publish the Southern Constitution and hang it next to 'em. Fortunately the collective Left ain't that literate.

As for the rest, threatening me about mispelling "Texas"..... (sorry)

Birdwatcher

Be prepared to discount/dismiss it a bunch more times then if it turns out its written that way....

Yet, you continue to avoid the fact that slavery was Constitutional, it was legal, it was a factor in the Texass secession from Mexico, and there was NO Constitutional or legal authority for Lincoln to force states to remain in a Union. In fact, in support of the Texass secession, you have stated your support for EXACTLY what the Southern states did.

Your inconsistency is staggering.

Remember I have read the book before. In fact every book I have suggested on this entire thread I have read before some of them multiple times.

But, you're not a HS (damned, that's so appropriate) teacher with an agenda, so WTF do you know?

Don't forget a HS teacher that does not teach History too.

Wow I missed a lot today!!! But if I'm going to Quemado I have oodles of stuff to get done before I can leave. It's 95 out here. I just finished hanging a 16' gate. Gotta finish some fence now. Taking a breather and drinking a Hamm's!!! (:D).

I can honestly say Ive built a lot of fence; hand dug lots of holes ( they were out of post holes again today at Home Depot), and stretched a lot of wire w/o the assistance of slave or illegal labor! .

Hanging gates and stretching fence in 95 degree weather is rough. That is just too damned hot for work like that.