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here's the thing though
For the record, I thought Trump was a joke at first, then he started saying the things that I've wanted a politician to say.
I realize its just a spec in the moment and if I bothered to look at Trump in a timeline of over 10 or 15 years I'd think he's a horrible choice
But lets look at where we are in politics now
Barak Obama was a single term senator from corrupt as hell chicago, with a vague past, admitted cocaine use, and a list of contacts that ranged from domestic terrorist to socialists. Not to mention he sounded like a damn Muslim.
He went up against ...who are we saying is a war hero? Oh yea, John McCain and kicked his ass.
yes, America was fed up with republicans at the time and Obama was sure to take advantage of it by beating the drum on the war and the economy - even though he was ill equipped and uninformed about how to solve either one.
Now, guess what? America is still fed up with republicans and Trump is taking advantage of it by beating the drum on Immigration and the economy - (and who is to say he isn't the most experienced at getting the economy to produce jobs).
So I'm not ready to write off Trump as a joke that is going to flame out.
Right now he is eclipsing - no, he is decimating the field in media exposure and they don't have an answer on how to counter it. And I can't imagine Trump saying anything more offensive at this point (of course he may surprise us all) than John McCain not being a war hero ....
and he went UP in the polls.
If Trump has learned anything, its how to stay in the news.
What is his end game? Is it the presidency or just to derail a bunch of horseshit liars who are pretending to be conservatives? Maybe he was just wants to expose them and doesn't mind blowing a few hundred million in the process
At this point, I don't think its absurd to believe that Trump stays a factor in this presidential race for as long as he wants.
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I suppose we need to define "hero", especially in our Pop Culture world of today.
Audie Murphy was a hero by any yardstick. Alvin York, the same.
For some, a hero is anyone who served.
For others, it could be anyone who serves and agrees with me politically. The term is bandied about without thought or complex meaning these days. With the political and cultural polarization we now have, it seems that anyone I like is a "hero" and all of your people suck. It is unfortunate. From my view point a hero goes above and beyond what is normally aceptable under extreme conditions. Admiral Stockdale set a high standard while captivity and is definitely a hero resisting the enemy's torture IMHO. McCain endured torture for sure but did not equal Admirial Stockdale's standard in my opinion.
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Given Trump's position in the past (and acknowledging anyone has a right to change their minds), you can't unring the liberal bell(s) he rang in the past, not to mention his financial support of Hillary and other democrats, and the fact he's a Wall Street guy and they are solidly in the democrat camp. I like all the stuff he is saying, but I just can't shake the Fifth Column thoughts on him splitting the vote...
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Given Trump's position in the past (and acknowledging anyone has a right to change their minds), you can't unring the liberal bell(s) he rang in the past, not to mention his financial support of Hillary and other democrats, and the fact he's a Wall Street guy and they are solidly in the democrat camp. I like all the stuff he is saying, but I just can't shake the Fifth Column thoughts on him splitting the vote... I tend to agree with you Jorge, with one caveat. Trump is not stupid, and he likes to make money. I believe he sees the writing on the wall...this country will fail if it continues down the path it has taken. That won't be good for business.
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I saw an interview with Rick Perry and he didn't want to but he had to talk about Trump, and worse, he was asked if Trump gets the nomination would you endorse him.
That's the last damn thing Perry wants to do on national TV is talk about him endorsing Trump as the republican nominee (framing his defeat).
He handled it about as best as he could trying desperately to sell why he's the best candidate (as any person running would) and ended with "I'm a republican, I'll support the republican nominee"
Then I hear Christie on the news and he has to talk about Trump, but he handled it a bit better and was able to segueway into taxes in New York, Pennsylvania and New Jersey and turned having the highest taxes of the 3 into a positive because he has to work with a democratic house.
That's some slick politician [bleep] there.
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Very, good point, Pat. Then again, why does Wall-Street support democrats if they are the seeds of their own destruction? Let's not forget Trump is a New Yorker (as in NY City) and I just can't see conservative beliefs from someone born and bred there.
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I just can't shake the Fifth Column thoughts on him splitting the vote... DING, DING, DING!!!!
I am..........disturbed.
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For me, a non-combat vet doesn't get to state "I like people that weren't captured" when that same non-combat vet is trying to be the Commander in Chief. That's where my opinion on the matter starts and stops.
Would it keep me from voting for Trump? No. But I didn't like the comment when I evaluate the source and their prior service to this country.
I do not need to define hero and I do not need to evaluate the minutia of Senator McCain's service record. The comment bled over from a personal attack on a POS senator, to a generalized slight regarding men that have been captured in war time.
I still say that at this point Trump is doing more good than harm.
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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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what did the stock market do under Daddy Bush? Under Bill Clinton? Under Dubya Bush? Under Obama?
Its pretty obvious why Wall-Street supports democrats.
You can point out reasons as to why it happened but you got 25 years history there to go with and it says the stock market booms during democratic presidents.
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Very, good point, Pat. Then again, why does Wall-Street support democrats if they are the seeds of their own destruction? Let's not forget Trump is a New Yorker (as in NY City) and I just can't see conservative beliefs from someone born and bred there. Wall Streeters want to make their fortune and get out. It's pretty obvious that the gravy train is about to come to a screeching halt if business continues "as usual", which will happen if another establishment type (R or D) takes the reins. There are some real numbers out there and they can't be ignored. 2015 is the first time in 35 years that more businesses have closed their doors in America than have opened them.
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Trump just alluded to a third party run if the RNC is not nice to him. What ever the hell that means.
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Trump has gone on record and said he will NOT run third party.
He may walk that back some time in the future, but if thats true, he has to know he cant win with this rhetoric, wont win and wont get the GOPs establishments nomination, by saying he wont run 3rd party. (Not that I want him to)
That makes him a spoiler, destroyer of any momentum the Right had with the debacle of Her Travesty's credibility and image problems.
Perhaps he is just a Trojan horse, playing Donan the Destroyer, running interference for the Left, and giving Hiliary time out of the frying pan to coast.
His statement makes him irrelevant. Trump has gone on record in the past and supported both the Clintons and Obama. Romney was a flip-flopper, but nothing like Trump.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/248910-exclusive-trump-threatens-third-party-runNEW YORK — Donald Trump says the chances that he will launch a third-party White House run will “absolutely” increase if the Republican National Committee is unfair to him during the 2016 primary season.
“The RNC has not been supportive. They were always supportive when I was a contributor. I was their fair-haired boy,” the business mogul told The Hill in a 40-minute interview from his Manhattan office at Trump Tower on Wednesday. “The RNC has been, I think, very foolish.”
Pressed on whether he would run as a third-party candidate if he fails to clinch the GOP nomination, Trump said that “so many people want me to, if I don’t win.”
“I’ll have to see how I’m being treated by the Republicans,” Trump said. “Absolutely, if they’re not fair, that would be a factor.”
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Trump just alluded to a third party run if the RNC is not nice to him. What ever the hell that means. This would be catastrophic..
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I suppose we need to define "hero", especially in our Pop Culture world of today.
Audie Murphy was a hero by any yardstick. Alvin York, the same.
For some, a hero is anyone who served.
For others, it could be anyone who serves and agrees with me politically. The term is bandied about without thought or complex meaning these days. With the political and cultural polarization we now have, it seems that anyone I like is a "hero" and all of your people suck. It is unfortunate. From my view point a hero goes above and beyond what is normally aceptable under extreme conditions. Admiral Stockdale set a high standard while captivity and is definitely a hero resisting the enemy's torture IMHO. McCain endured torture for sure but did not equal Admirial Stockdale's standard in my opinion. McCain has said the same thing.
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SOMEBODY please tell TRH that Netanyahu NEVER said "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
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I'm anxious to see some "undecided" voter polls matching Trump against Hillary.
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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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For me, a non-combat vet doesn't get to state "I like people that weren't captured" when that same non-combat vet is trying to be the Commander in Chief. That's where my opinion on the matter starts and stops.
Would it keep me from voting for Trump? No. But I didn't like the comment when I evaluate the source and their prior service to this country.
I do not need to define hero and I do not need to evaluate the minutia of Senator McCain's service record. The comment bled over from a personal attack on a POS senator, to a generalized slight regarding men that have been captured in war time.
I still say that at this point Trump is doing more good than harm.
Travis
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A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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I don't much care for Trump. But it's long past time someone expose that neocon RINO Israel-Firster, McCain. He is why I wouldn't shed a tear were the Republican Party whiter away to Massachusetts to live with Romnut, the 12' 'fire darling.
Where are those two Romnut shills when the desperate need them? I think Steve_No has been ensconced in liberal reeducation precursor to duping the '16 version of Romnuts, and RISJR is playing with Rom's nuts.
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Oh god, the convicted felon has shown up. So much for this thread..
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