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Thanks, Jorge. I haven't had time to do any research on this and my email/facebook are blowing up with folks asking for comments & clarification. I'm not taking any baits from the trollers, but it's good to get some info I can trust.

There are plenty of game animals wounded and lost with "proper rifles"

The only shot that will drop an animal at the shot is to brain it, but most hunters don't take that shot as it's a smaller target then the heart lungs.

With a heart lung shot, a modern compound with a good sharp fixed broadhead will do essentially the same tissue disruption to the hear lungs as a small bore with a "premium" bullet or a big bore with a hard cast. So if you consider a 45-70 with cast sufficient, the same goes for a modern bow and arrow.

Shot placement is the issue, and no sporting weapon will make up for a muffed shot.

That is incorrect.

Rockinbbar is correct.

to name a lion, male or female, is so anthropomorphic. that is, we have humandized a wild animal by assigning it a humanized name.

a wild animal is not an extension of the human condition. their place in the ecosystem is quite different from ours.

so once Jack, Tom, Dick,. or Harry, or Cecil becomes aan animal's name, Katy Bar the door. we have humanized a wild animal, and that's a difficult concept to get to work properly.

but, that's not the whole story. but it is a start. what about albino deer? are they special even if they don't have a human's name assigned to them?

Obama has Sic'd the feds on the "Lion Killer" dentist. His life is just beginning to get miserable...



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The Obama administration is probing the killing of Cecil the lion but hasn’t been able to reach Walter Palmer, the Minnesota hunter and dentist who allegedly killed Cecil in Zimbabwe after he and two others lured the beloved lion out of a national park.

“The U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service is investigating the circumstances surrounding the killing of ‘Cecil the lion.’ That investigation will take us wherever the facts lead,” said Edward Grace, the agency’s deputy chief of law enforcement, in a statement.

“At this point in time, however, multiple efforts to contact Dr. Walter Palmer have been unsuccessful. We ask that Dr. Palmer or his representative contact us immediately,” he added.

The killing and beheading of the popular 13-year-old lion has provoked outrage, widespread publicity, and an explosion of online scorn toward Palmer.

Grace’s statement goes further than yesterday’s Fish & Wildlife Service comment that the agency is “currently gathering facts about the issue and will assist Zimbabwe officials in whatever manner requested.”

Palmer, in a statement to the Minneapolis Star Tribune two days ago, said at the time that he hadn’t yet been contacted by authorities in Zimbabwe or in the U.S. but pledged to “assist them in any inquiries they may have.”

The Associated Press quoted a spokeswoman for Zimbabwean police on Tuesday saying that they are looking for Palmer.

According to the BBC, one of the two men from Zimbabwe who assisted Palmer, Theo Bronkhorst, pled not guilty in a Zimbabwean court Wednesday to the charge of “failing to prevent an unlawful hunt.”

Palmer, whose practice has been shuttered amid the outrage over Cecil’s killing, expressed regret about the killing. “I had no idea that the lion I took was a known, local favorite, was collared and part of a study until the end of the hunt. I relied on the expertise of my local professional guides to ensure a legal hunt,” he said in his statement.

The confirmation that U.S. authorities want to speak with Palmer comes as several dozen House Democrats, calling Cecil’s death a “reminder of the perils the African lion faces,” are urging the Interior Department to quickly boost protections for the iconic species.

In a letter today to Interior Secretary Sally Jewell, approximately 50 lawmakers will call for the Fish & Wildlife Service to “expeditiously” finalize a rule that lists the lion as “threatened” under the Endangered Species Act, arguing this would improve conservation in several ways.

Here’s how the letter led by Raul Grijalva, the top Democrat on the House Natural Resources Committee, makes the case for the rule:

“First, it would outlaw the trade of African lions or lion parts by people subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, except under limited circumstances. Second, it would require the Fish and Wildlife Service to certify that sport-hunted lion trophies could only be imported into the United States from countries with sound conservation plans that enhance the survival of the species in the wild. Third, it would make the African lion eligible for funding for conservation and recovery efforts under the [Endangered Species Act].”

African lions have declined by almost 50 percent in the last three decades to under 40,000 today, and inhabit just 22 percent of their former range, the letter states.

The FWS issued a draft rule last October, took public comments until late January and is now crafting the final rule. The process “generally” takes about a year, FWS said.

However, those protections would not stop a number of threats.

According to the FWS, the biggest threats facing the lions are loss of habitat, loss of animals they prey upon, and conflict between humans and lions, which is spurred by expansion of human settlements and agriculture into the lions’ natural habitat. With their native prey disappearing, lions end up killing livestock, which leads to “retaliatory” killings.

In a separate letter, Grijalva is asking Natural Resources Committee Chairman Rob Bishop to hold a hearing in September on Grijalva’s bill, which would create a new “Rare Cats and Canids Conservation Fund” at Interior. The bill “would enhance U.S. financial support for international conservation efforts that would protect lions like Cecil, as well as other rare cats and wild dogs with dwindling populations,” his letter states.

WTF?

They liken him to a terrorist now?

Most animals killed have their heads cut off, but wouldn't be classified as a "beheading".

Warped people.

Obama is an embarrassment... again. Setting his pet monkeys on the guy that has broken no U.S. laws in that.

Really? A "douche" you say?

I've known Walter for over 20 years and he's my dentist, I'd argue you are DEAD wrong. This story is a complete over reach and I agree with your second point but do not rely on the media outlets view of his character.

Be that as it may, his past record of game violations, and then getting himself into this mess, whether criminally liable or not, has lots of folks wondering about things.

I'm sure he's a good dentist with an excellent rapport.

Doesn't seem to bother the mofo Potus when a christian gets beheaded. [bleep] POS

Great post Ron. The only thing I could add is that he put humans in danger by allowing a wounded lion, and one acclimated to people, to get away.

A national phugging uproar over shooting a friggin lion yet....while on the same day....we murdered 3500 children! We've got our priorities so phugged up....we don't even know who/what we are!!

Stuff the sumbeech (the lion) and build a monument to it!!

One more vote for DOUCHE. AND he muffed the shot. Incompetent, previously convicted poaching DOUCHE.

Is there a link to something credible about his past game violations?

Great. It's unfortunate that these idiots don't have far more pressing needs on our turf.

We can harvest for their monetary value, the body parts of innocent children, who experience horrific, agonizing pain as their little bodies are literally ripped asunder in- utero (with the cooperation of their own mothers) without so much as a peep of protest from the public (with the consent and blessing of the courts actually). Yet there is outrage when an old-aged animal is killed (which, in nature would die of disease, starvation or predation anyway). We have utterly lost any sense and perspective of what is right and what is wrong.

Jordan

FWIW, there was already about a 99.99% chance the USFWS was going to list the lion as "threatened" by the Oct 2015 deadline anyway. This will make it 99.999%.

reposting my quote from earlier today>

I don't know that anything from the press is credible.

But this is out there on him about a 2006 bear hunting violation. Not sure it's a felony like they mention. Who knows?

http://www.inquisitr.com/2291793/wa...lion-has-felony-record-for-killing-bear/

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/c...s-palmer-has-bear-related-felony-n400226

Can't, I believe they left the lion's share of the carcass to rot in the hot African sun.

try for a little more drama next time...my gawd