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Apparently you are supposed to tackle them.
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So what do we do these days when a young hellion has an episode? Taze him.
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How about a real answer?
Teachers are stuck dealing with children who have never experienced significant consequences, who are all special, who are filled with unearned self esteem, et cetera.
Having never been in the wrong (as far as they know) these children blow a gasket when something doesn't go their way, when they are told no, or when they have to sit still and pay attention.
Since we can't do anything to make them uncomfortable or ding their delusions, what do we do?
There is a BLDD epidemic.
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That cop did fine. This discussion borders on ridiculous. That cop was gentle and kind, but firm, just like he should be. If the kid was swinging his arms at the cop, I think the cop did him and his parents a great service by teaching him that's not acceptable, especially to someone in authority over you.
When spanking went away, things went downhill and everybody with a brain knows it.
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State law specifically, and in plain language, forbids the use of physical - especially mechanical physical - restraints. The SRO is toast, and should be.
Whether the kid/s was/were a complete jackass(es) or not is a separate question; the state law specifically forbids exactly what he did. Twice. Seems clear to me. The cop should be fired.
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The laws of this country have created an environment where discipline is considered a crime, or at least a civil liability, and bad people (kids included)get all the attention, while the good ones pay for it.
When things get bad, there is nobody left to go to, but the cops, and they are left to deal with an unwinnable situation.
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State law specifically, and in plain language, forbids the use of physical - especially mechanical physical - restraints. The SRO is toast, and should be.
Whether the kid/s was/were a complete jackass(es) or not is a separate question; the state law specifically forbids exactly what he did. Twice. Seems clear to me. The cop should be fired. Agreed, and the school district will hire another one, who will be asked to do the same thing. If he isn't willing to do it, they'll find one who will.
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When spanking went away, things went downhill and everybody with a brain knows it. That's BLDD.
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So, could someone educate me please?. Just how is one supposed to safely control a child that's completely out of control?
Not seen much in the way of constructive comments here.
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tjm,
When the tactics are specifically and in plain English forbidden by statute, it's a pretty safe bet that the SRO has gone "above and beyond". Now, will the others complicit in fomenting this be held to account as well is the only question (and, they won't). Surely I didn't need a smiley face with you, Sean. "Latonia Effect" was the clue.
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So, could someone educate me please?. Just how is one supposed to safely control a child that's completely out of control?
Not seen much in the way of constructive comments here. A child that can not be controlled should not be in public school.
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I would have let him run out of control and do anything he wanted and then shamed any teacher or administrator who complained with an accusation of bigotry.
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So, could someone educate me please?. Just how is one supposed to safely control a child that's completely out of control?
Not seen much in the way of constructive comments here. A child that can not be controlled should not be in public school. Agreed. How do you get him out of the building? #chinesetorture
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The question is how do you keep him out of the building. They're all frequent flyers.
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So, could someone educate me please?. Just how is one supposed to safely control a child that's completely out of control?
Not seen much in the way of constructive comments here. A child that can not be controlled should not be in public school. Agreed. How do you get him out of the building? #chinesetorture Put him in a room by himself, call his parents, and make them come pick him up. Tell them he can come back when he learns to behave.
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I think an 8 yo in tbe midst of a fit left in a room by himself is a worse look than restraint and calm coaching.
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I think an 8 yo in tbe midst of a fit left in a room by himself is a worse look than restraint and calm coaching.
There is no good "look" . The government (school...cop....whatever) is supposed to fix these kids so the parents don't have to deal with them when they get home.
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No laws are broken, no one gets in trouble. Main thing is, the parents have to come haul his ass out of there and he doesn't come back until he learns not to foment [bleep] storms.
Puts it right on the parents, where it should be. No one, public servant or not, should have to deal with someone else's [bleep]-up kid.
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Putting him in a room by himself and refusal to deal with him would probably result in a lawsuit. A child with an IEP is danged near blame free. There just aren't many consequences for their actions. Plenty of parents actively seek the diagnosis for the extra income on the welfare check. It also puts a large share of the responsibility on other people than them personally making life easier. It's the system and they definitely know how to manipulate it. The media and the liberals love these stories.
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