Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Let's Debate This FENCE or WALL Nonsense

Points to consider:

I can walk the hundred yards from the front door to the highway without stepping over anything. But I ain't bothered with trespassers.

It ain't worth the risk to them.

A physical barrier is worthless against people unless it is manned by guards that are incorruptible. Adding all the new people to the B P has resulted in much more corruption in the ranks.

Over half of our Mexican Border is the center of a River. Build a fence in N.M. ,Az. , and Ca. and you force most of the illicit traffic to the River.

Those who claim a fence can be built DOWN THE CENTER of the Rio Grande have never had to fix water gaps in a fence after a heavy rain. It is a RIDICULOUS suggestion that displays the ignorance of anyone who entertains it for more than a few seconds. There's some pretty good sized Reservoirs on that river as well.

The Federal Gov't has already defacto ceded millions of acres to Mexico by moving the patrols many miles off the River. Building a fence anywhere on THIS side of the River, even though logistically possible, takes land away from American citizens and deprives wildlife and domestic animals of the only sure source of water in a huge area.

The "border problem" can certainly be solved.

But as long as idiots like Trump and O'Reilly are not called on their B.S., no sane voices will be heard.

You have the debate all to yourself so just keep right on debaiting.

U need to go trapping ...u build the fence to funnel the game to pinch points...works great on my line.…...should work on folks that "start off their 1st day -- in country by breaking the law".

A fence is completely impractical. Those who want in this country will find a way in spite of any minor physical barrier we erect. Save for making entry into this country at anything other than a border crossing station a capital offense, the only way to make a difference is to take away their incentive to come here. Employment.

Fence or wall is only a deterrent when the govt. is willing to enforce the law and that border.

It is only another tool in the arsenal to stop illegal immigration, but is only as effective as the administration allows it to be.

Which brings up another point... Just because one administration puts up a costly fence or wall, doesn't mean that the next administration up to bat will put it to good use and enforce it. Without enforcement, it may as well not be there.

Perhaps the money would be better spent on enforcement.

And welfare...!

Every form of 'welfare' this country provides is a pretty big incentive too...!

People will go where economic opportunity takes them. There was a wall where I was stationed in the Army that had guard towers manned by extremely motivated people with machine guns, it had mine fields and barbed wire and was constantly patrolled, but some folks still were motivated enough to cross it. Lots got killed in the attempt, but it didn't stop people from trying.

The only way to stop illegal immigration is to take away the incentives to immigrate. No one I know of is risking deportation to immigrate to Somalia, unless they just have this lifelong dream to be a pirate.

Problem is that too many businesses on this side benefit from the cheap labor it provides and the Democratic Machine benefits way too much from the votes they provide, so there is no incentive to those offering incentives to quit offering them.

If you can solve that problem then a wall or even a well guarded border becomes superfluous.



Added: oops, didn't read PaulBarnard's post first, but will reiterate that incentives are the key.

You also have to ask yourself why the political will doesn't exist to disincentivize illegal immigration. Who wants to take a crack at that?

There are certainly limitations to a fence but it might be useful in some areas. Better than a fence would be national e-verify required for employers. If they hire anyone who doesn't pass the e-verify screen they pay a hefty fine. This would require ongoing government audits but would dry up many of the jobs that illegals now work and without jobs many would go back where they came from. The incentive for most illegals is economic. If that incentive is taken away there will be a lot fewer of them.

Take away the jobs, health care and welfare, and Canada would need the fence to slow the stampede North.

Trump repeatedly says that Mexicans love him because he hires thousands of them. Does anybody here believe that all those hotel maids and janitors are American citizens? That's another one of those conflicts he's going to have to deal with.

there is a nice big fence down around douglas/aqua prieta, over to naco, and hereford. millions of dollars putting that fence in. What tickles me there were openings left in the fence for wildlife to be able to get through such as coyotes, the four legged kind, etc. YOU THINK? There are parts of the desert down there border patrol is NOT allowed to enter as it might disturb the ecosystem.

The wall isn't the answer to stopping all illegal immigration, but having a wall, properly spaced border agents and giving them the orders to enforce our laws would definitely bring it to manageable levels.

Right now the atmosphere is to come here and if you happen to get caught, the government has little will to deport you unless you're a felon.

The first thing we need to do is put someone who is serious about homeland security in charge of homeland security.

That wall would just slow down illegals, but also terrorists, drug mules, and anyone else who is crossing the border to break our laws.

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It's going to take a special breed again to do what needs to be done. Those types exist today but they will not be allowed to do what needs to be done.



You have to get as many of them as you can the first time. There is more at stake than simply just illegal immigrants. They are evil individuals out there doing unthinkable crimes. And they fear nothing because they have nothing to fear, except their jefes.

Spot on, Bob!

That a picture of some old-time line riders?

It is way past time to de-Incentivize ANY Illegal from coming much less staying.
No jobs, No aid. Make it painful to stay here.

Somehow we manage to keep North and South Korea apart, why can't the same thing work between U.S. and Mexico? To heck with the Border Patrol, we should use the military to patrol the border. We have a Department of Defense, after all, not a Department of de fence.

Barry,
That's a photo of rangers after the Norios ranch raid October 1916! Just north of Raymondville!!! Bandits against a U.S. army and ranger company hit by bandits the night before!

The issue is for almost 100 years we had men who had first hand, seen the cruelty that occurred over that border. Seen what that evil that existed there was capable of. They fought these people on almost a day to day basis. This was all they understood. They have now been chastised by history as racist. That many "innocent" died. Well there were innocent on both sides!

The entire scenario played out today labels "us" as the villian and thief! Poor Mexico!!! Puro toro caca!!! It was simply a matter of having to strike first before the enemy.

I want the border closed. But, I'd rather have it done by folks that know what they are doing. Sometimes, sending green recruits with an M-4 to the border doesn't work out so well.

http://www.ndsn.org/july97/goats.html

Don't care much for military on private property.