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That is part one; reduce the lure/attraction. Part two is make ingress more difficult and trapping more likely. Part three is removal from within.

Vertebrate pest management; the concepts apply equally regardless of the species involved.

There are two incentives here..

The only one we are talking about is the wetbacks incentive for coming here.

We need to do away with the incentives to hire them. Make the penalty hurt. If it costs so much more to hire them, than they are worth, that incentive goes away as well.

Make it hurt.

Neither party wants a comprehensive plan or laws (hell, we don't even enforce the laws already on the books!) that tackles the illegal immigrant problem because one side views them as potential voters and the other is paid to look the other way.

That said, border fences (built correctly) deter illegals from coming over.

We don't need a DMZ type border, but something very close to it would be effective.

Too bad Mexico couldn't have been in Africa.

It belongs there.

Some time ago I came to the conclusion that the Australian Government hates Australians, it seems you have the same problem with the American Government.

Our government loves itself. It wants to get bigger and bigger.

i can't remember the guy off of the top of my head, maybe it was jordan, but one of those ol texas border guys wrote in one of his books about having to pay a fine for shooting into a bush and killing a hog by mistake. He grumbled if it would have been a mexican nobody would have cared.

That would have been ole Charlie Askins.

The Jews have been building a fence in Israel to help keep the terrorist out and it is working fine.

pretty much.
but i think there are large parts of arizona where a "fence" is not practical but other methods are. What fences do is force the trade routes up in the mountains where it is harder to get at them. there are ways of stopping it. Other than watching B.P. sitting on about 50 new arrivals a few miles north of sasabe in the altar valley transporting them back to sasabe, under catch and release, so they can try the next day, then going back up to the road to sells, and watching a "mule" with a backpack bigger that he was getting ready to cross the road to indian rz land. While bp is cruising along in the a/c on the major highway .

there are solutions that would drive out the illegal aspects of it almost over night. But there isn't the will to do it.
A lot of the new arrivals these days come from further south than mexico, central america and so on. Mexicans treat this influx on their southern border much different than we do here.

I lived in West Germany for several years back in the early 80's. Funny, I don't recall (other than a very small handful) any East Germans or any other folks from Eastern Europe slipping across the boarder wall...

Yes, but the Jews are allowed to kill the fence jumpers...betting you won't.

Obama believes in fences.

We on the other hand could destroy the terrorists and choose not to.

"One would assume that folks who had experience with ranches, etc., would understand this."

OTOH, Nobody expects an unemployed lawyer to understand you can't build a fence or wall down the center of the Rio Grande.

And THAT is the elephant in the room that a bunch of you know it alls don't want to talk about.

And... for the Northern trapping expert, that "pinch 'em to a controlled point" is exactly what the BP in the El Paso Sector has been doing for thirty years that I can attest to.

I damn sure wouldn't make a fool out of myself by arguing with Kamo Gari about something in Boston.

But y'all go right ahead on about "the border" and building a fence or wall.

And post some more pictures of that wall in China.... but show the 200 miles of it down the ceer of a river this time.

Where in hell did you come from? I thought it was all idiots on the other side of the "debate".

But...... Did you know that your idea has been implemented for a lot of years?

But when the guys who are charged with responding to the electronic triggers are corrupt, they are not much of an impediment.

Not really. Implementation requires follow through. We paid for a fence once, but that isn't the same as building one.

But where is the 1200 miles of river in the picture?

I'm not surprised by the stupidity displayed by most of the respondents to this thread.

But I am surprised by you beating the drum for a fence down the center of a river.