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With Winchester touting their Extreme Point Bullet Design in the Deer Season XP ammo, it got me to thinking about deer bullets, not an all around Big Game bullet, but just a deer bullet. Winchester touts DRT's with the new bullets, something I would prefer.
I read the info about the Deer Season XP and am wondering if it is all hype or the real deal with deer DRT's?
Currently use handloaded 170 grain Sierra FN in 30-30, and 180 grain Round nose Sierra or Hornady(what I was able to buy at the time) in my -06 and will use the same in my recently acquired .308. Our shots are under 100 yards and these bullets have done fairly well. Possibly the Extreme Point is an All Around Bullet.
What do you guys think?
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I think you're where you need to be. No need to change. If you want to try something different, load some lead bullets.
I use Rem Cor Lokts, Interlocks and (mostly) lead for my 30-30. Core-Lokts and plain Jane Hornady c&c will work great out of your 308.
No need to re-invent the wheel, but you can have some fun playing with "cheap" bullets.
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In this part of Maryland we're not allowed to use a rifle. During firearms season, we have to use a shotgun. You guys need to try this if it's legal where you live. I use a T/C Encore with a riffled slug barrel. The scope is a Nikon Slughunter 3-9x40mm with a BDC retical. I shoot a 3" Beneke Magnum Crush. It's made specifically for riffled barrels and is a 1 1/2 oz. slug that moves at 1500fps. The entry hole is big enough to put your fist in. Why the entry hole is so big is unknown to me. It must have an explosive effect or something. I'm good out to 150 yrds and when you hit'em, they don't go far. The BDC retical is almost not needed because it doesn't start dropping until after 100 yrds.
If you want to try it in a smooth bore shotgun, they make the Breneke Black Magic. The same thing, but the rifling goes the opposite direction.
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Hornady interlocks, Remington cor-loct, amax.
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Chainsaw - With all the competition FOR most bullets, I don't give away my recipe ! --  I don't use a premium bullet for WT but I hunt/shoot hi vel cartridges SO I must use bullets that don't disintegrate at close range. For most deer hunting -MOST- c/c bullets will work. There have been changes in the bullet/ammo makers trying to cater to those (a lot) who want pretty tipped bullets. Even some of the old reliable bullets have been (upgraded) CHANGED and not all for the better. IMO it depends on how fast your bullets are traveling and how 'close' you normally take shots. To Repeat: Most c/c bullets will work. How's that for a definite maybe ??
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For deer, I like Nosler BT's at 3k.
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Are you more interested in trying new bullets or believing advertising hype?
I hunt in NE Wis. and generally my shots are much less than 100 yds. Favorite bullets and weights have been dependent on caliber and speed.
Sounds like you have your situation covered pretty well. If you want to try something different go for it. If you think this new load will bring you to Nirvana go for it; it'll probably work fine, but so do the loads you already know.
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I'm a Nosler AccuBond convert. They have good ballistic characteristics, have been highly accurate, and they retain weight well so far and mushroom without breaking apart.
They seem to perform well at low to pretty high velocities; I like them for long range shots.
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I think most any bullet will kill a deer. 223 shooting 62 grain TSX works, DRT.
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I use Rem Cor Lokts, Interlocks and (mostly) lead for my 30-30. Core-Lokts and plain Jane Hornady c&c will work great out of your 308.
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150 grain Ballistic Tips are sure deer killers out of a 308.
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With Winchester touting their Extreme Point Bullet Design in the Deer Season XP ammo, it got me to thinking about deer bullets, not an all around Big Game bullet, but just a deer bullet. Winchester touts DRT's with the new bullets, something I would prefer.
I read the info about the Deer Season XP and am wondering if it is all hype or the real deal with deer DRT's?
Currently use handloaded 170 grain Sierra FN in 30-30, and 180 grain Round nose Sierra or Hornady(what I was able to buy at the time) in my -06 and will use the same in my recently acquired .308. Our shots are under 100 yards and these bullets have done fairly well. Possibly the Extreme Point is an All Around Bullet.
What do you guys think? Possibly the Extreme Point is marketing hype. I have killed a lot of white tail deer with 30/30 at 100 yards and less with plain old Winchester 150 gr. and Remington 170 gr. off the shelf offerings. This was in the late 70s and 80s. We used them on deer, turtles, coke bottles, and anything else we aimed at. At $7 a box, we road around the farm and shot a bunch. In those days, here in GA, one could count on the fact that 8 out of 10 pickup trucks you passed on the road would have a Marlin or Winchester 30/30 leaver gun hanging in a gun rack mounted in front of the rear window. I don't recall ever collecting a deer with my old 30/30 and thinking, "Dang...wish I had used a different bullet."
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Nosler Ballistic Tips is my favorite.
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When I first started deer hunting, you could buy a box of .30-06 Remington Core-Lokt 150 PSPs for $9.83. I used those every year for 16 years and I never knew there was anything better as they worked. I didn't get into the fancy stuff until I started reloading and can't say I've seen anything new that the Core-Lokts wouldn't do consistently on deer.
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Chainsaw,
I've killed deer neatly with dozens of different makes and calibers from .22 on up, and they've all worked when I did my job. But suggesting one design and brand of bullet across the board is unrealistic, because in different weights, calibers and different velocities they don't all perform the same. Then there's range and possible size of the deer to consider.
However, that might be making things a little more complicated than you want. For the cartridges and bullet weights you're using, just about any bullet will do.
Dunno if the hype about the Winchester bullet is the real deal or not, but it's been demonstrated a number of times that fragmenting bullets kill quicker, on average, with ribs shots.
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With Winchester touting their Extreme Point Bullet Design in the Deer Season XP ammo, it got me to thinking about deer bullets, not an all around Big Game bullet, but just a deer bullet. Winchester touts DRT's with the new bullets, something I would prefer.
I read the info about the Deer Season XP and am wondering if it is all hype or the real deal with deer DRT's?
Currently use handloaded 170 grain Sierra FN in 30-30, and 180 grain Round nose Sierra or Hornady(what I was able to buy at the time) in my -06 and will use the same in my recently acquired .308. Our shots are under 100 yards and these bullets have done fairly well. Possibly the Extreme Point is an All Around Bullet.
What do you guys think? Winchester might be "touting" their XP bullets, but I've found that damn near any bullet works on deer. Even their old as hell powerpoints. I actually shot my buck last year with an old 180gr. Winchester powerpoint from an old 06. Worked just fine..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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In this part of Maryland we're not allowed to use a rifle. During firearms season, we have to use a shotgun. You guys need to try this if it's legal where you live. I use a T/C Encore with a riffled slug barrel. The scope is a Nikon Slughunter 3-9x40mm with a BDC retical. I shoot a 3" Beneke Magnum Crush. It's made specifically for riffled barrels and is a 1 1/2 oz. slug that moves at 1500fps. The entry hole is big enough to put your fist in. Why the entry hole is so big is unknown to me. It must have an explosive effect or something. I'm good out to 150 yrds and when you hit'em, they don't go far. The BDC retical is almost not needed because it doesn't start dropping until after 100 yrds.
If you want to try it in a smooth bore shotgun, they make the Breneke Black Magic. The same thing, but the rifling goes the opposite direction. I use the same T/C slug gun and scope except in 20 gauge. I shoot a hand loaded 20 gauge slug using the Hornady .45 250 gr FTX bullet at 1640 feet per second. Just knocks their dicks into the dirt. Doc
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6-250: 90 gr NBT
257 AI: 90 gr GMX, 100 gr Interlock or NBT
30-06: 150 & 165 gr Interlocks, 168 gr NBT
No need whatsoever for premiums on deer, but it's fun to experiment!
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I use 180 gr. round nose core lokt's in my 308, and speer 150 gr. hot cor in my 270.
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As of now? The 270gr Speer in my 9.3x62. I can eat right up to the hole.
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