Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Let's Debate This FENCE or WALL Nonsense

For years, you've been dropping hints that you and people you know in the neighborhood are doing what you can to ... well, it's hard to say exactly what it is you're doing because you don't go into details, but it seems to involve telling people from outside the border country to stay away and let the locals handle things.

Handle what? WTF knows, because you never say. You're what, in your 60s now? I suppose you could thump an illegal pretty good if you took one by surprise, but what ever general good you think you're doing for yourselves - you and the rest of the border crew - in terms of "handling" things on the border is of no apparent value to any of the rest of us.

Hence, my belief that you and everybody else along the border should not be encouraged to handle things the way you have (actually) not been handling things.

From my perspective, there's a problem on the border that effects ME, and you're just standing in the way.

"they can dam sure build a fence/wall ALONG the border."

Of course a fence can be built ALONG the border. You can build it ON the border, except for where the border is a river.

Which is over half of the border.

The Devil is in the details.

Build a fence on the North side of the river, and we would be giving the River and substantial land to Mexico. And the infrastructure we would have to build to service and guard the fence/wall would destroy the ecology. Of course, that infrastructure would make it much easier on the wetbacks that DO manage to get past the fence.

The only ones who keep calling for a wall/fence are those who have no familiarity with the Trans Pecos.Even self absorbed idiots like a couple posting on this thread would shut up about building a fence/wall IF THEY EVER ACTUALLY SPENT ANY TIME DOWN THERE.

Until Politicians and Media talking heads are required to address the REAL reasons our "immigration system" is broken, they will continue to chant "BUILD A FENCE".

Then; "I'll build a wall and make Mexico pay for it".

Anybody who falls for that B.S. is stupid as an Obama voter.

Greg noticed this phenomenon many moons ago:

"The further one lives from the border, the more knowledgeable he becomes about the border."

yup the only way it would work, would be to put it on the mescan side.

Piers can certainly be installed in the middle of the river if that is what is warranted and the wall built on top of them close enough to the water to make crossing more difficult.
Our immigration system is only broken as you call it because we do not in force our laws and we hand out free [bleep] to people that not only haven't earned but also broke the law.

Half right, I think.

Employment is not the issue, sez I. We--or at least I--want as many Mexicans working in the US as we can get. If you're an able-bodied American, and you can't compete economically with a poverty-stricken, non-English-speaking, uneducated Mexican, then you need to be the one solving that problem, not the government.

Matter of fact, I say repeal the minimum wage completely. If a $3/hr Mexican can do the job of a $300K robot, then that's one happy Mexican and fifty years of lower prices for me. (More, if you count power and upkeep for the robot.) Where's the downside?

The problem is not employment, the problem is welfare--including free health care. Get rid of that, and the problem goes away. Lots of problems go away.

You don't have Mexicans out committing crimes, because it takes a lot of hours at $3/hr to feed them and their families. No time for anything but working, eating and sleeping. You don't have mass illegitimacy in the black inner cities, because former welfare queens can no longer support fifteen kids without a husband. (Or even with a husband. Fifteen kids are expensive.) You don't have teenagers idly hanging around on the streets looking for trouble--or even veging out on the couch playing video games--because A) their families need income from them to survive, and B) without a minimum wage, there's a good chance they can get a job making a decent chunk of change even without any skills or education.

As usual, the solution to this particular set of social problems is not new laws, not enforcement of existing laws, but repeal of existing laws. The vast majority of social problems in the world are caused by laws and politicians: more laws and more politicians always make things worse, not better.

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THAT'S my O.P.

How many REASONED comments did it generate?

My very first comment about my front yard being secure WITHOUT a fence should have prompted some thought.

Derision is NOT commentary.

Crossfire and I became old men by the simple expedient of not dying. It's a mathematical probability that Tim and 4Ager will share that same fate.

Crossfire and I escaped being young idiots by being exposed to old guys who knew how to build stuff and fix things. We learned how to learn.

Unless THEY learn how to learn, 4Ager and Tim will likely become old idiots.

I got stuff to do outdoors.

Every time I read "DOWN THE MIDDLE OF A RIVER..." I hear Matt Foley's voice.




Travis

Yeah right.





Dave

building a fence?

Shouldn't you be on ANOTHER fuuckin' vacation or is next week PTO?





Burned you, you lazy mofuucker!

I'll probably take another break when bird season starts.






Clark

BUUUUUUUURRN!





Travis

Impossible.





Travis

Oh I'm sure you will!

2,000 miles of Border.

Pair of boots on the ground every quarter mile - 8,000 people.

Times three shifts - 24,000 people.

Associated support staff - 75,000 people.

If a nation of 300 million plus cannot field a force of around 100,000 people we might as well hang it up.

Birdwatcher

two shifts

We only need one 'roamer' on the northern border... for appearance sake...

Kent

From 1919



Interestingly the army stayed on the border until 1922-23

Wow! They even drew in a Narco hacienda in the background....