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No, that happened later in the thread.

Just East of El Paso, in rural Hudspeth County, TX there is a bridge that crosses the Rio Grande.

It is unmanned and unchecked.

ANYONE can come or go at will.

http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/along-the-border/

"Close the Border" means just that... Enforce our immigration laws in the courts, and give the enforcers in the field some teeth to bite with. Back them up in every way when they DO bite.

Back in the 'fifties you could walk across a footbridge at Boquillas with no guards on either side. It would get washed away most years and the locals from both sides would patch it back up.

Your...wherever.

Been there many times.

They got tired of messing with the bridge, and some enterprising folks got a few horses you can pay to ride across the river, and into Boquillas.

Been a long time since I was there, though.

I'm on your side Gene. Nobody here that isn't full on retarded, is suggesting actually building a wall down the center of a river. It's not that it can't be done. It's that it's stupid. The question is just whether to build one on this side or the other. My vote is the other. There are definitely ways to keep people out without a wall. I'm not sure that a wall is even needed. Corruption, not just on the physical border and amongst line BP agents, is definitely at the forefront of this issue. A wall is just a physical barrier that reminds all of us that this is OUR country and you don't come here without OUR say-so. A pity that last ain't been true for some time because our leaders have sold us out. I agree that no wall or increased presence is going to do a bit of good if the people in charge of watching the border are bought and paid for.

People don't like to spend money on fences...or prisons...or enforcement. The fix is easy. Paying for it...not so much.

How about a dome!!?? With a retractable roof.

I don't know, but you'll never hear a Politician saying we're going to have to cut Social Security to pay for it.

That's a scary thought. I dropped costs because it really doesn't matter. Something has to be built now.

But to your point...and you're scary right...what if they did take/justify 401's to fund security?

Annex?

When a Republican hears "raise taxes" or "cut social security" everything else is out the window. It's like saying "drug test" to a Democrat.

Where have we fought our wars? From the sands of Africa during WWII to Afghan and Iraq so IMO we need at least 3 major training sites aka military installations down on our southern border spaced out accordingly to train and at the same time render a vast 'stoppage' to border intrusion just by the sake of those military bases being used to train our troops and 'sack' illegals from coming into the country! Don't tell me it can't be done.....I know better!!

Don't forget cut public employee pentions.

Kent

That's a good idea...!

A lone fence would be useless; it can slow, but not stop border crossers.

The fence needs to be 1,989 miles long (US-Mexico border length) and needs to cover such vulnerable points as rivers, creeks drainage ditches etc. It will be VERY expensive, but even a 50' fence will result in 51 foot ladders. The border will need to be manned, probably at 100 foot intervals to stop individuals who make it through.

This would require about 105,020 manned posts (1,989 miles X 5280' / 100'). Assuming a standard security manning ratio of 4.5 per post (to account for week-ends, holidays, vacations, training time, etc.), this would require a Border Patrol of 475,590 men! What will this cost?

The current Federal civilian workforce is about 2.6 million; of this, the Border Patrol currently has about 20,000 officers. This means that the Federal civilian workforce will grow to about 3,1 million. How many more taxes will be required to pay for this?

.gov hath spoken...

Someone is gonna' come up with a giant bug zapper (not a bad idea) and that will be that. Gets ugly then.

Maybe they can sing red rover, red rover, send Pepe on over...

Kent

Look,.....the American "host" has spent a small FORTUNE on cancelled live fire exercises on the Barry Goldwater Range over the last 7-8 years, because of the "risk of hitting migrants".

Great stuff,....bombed up and gunned up aircraft flying over OUR residential areas,.....and landing "hot".

I'm OK with that, and will be the last to complain.

When one considers that at the same time that a "Gun Run" was being cancelled on BGR, USCBP were calling out high speed intrusions/ dope loads roaring and running up past Silverbell,...or had clearly IDENTIFIED "spotter hides" on the peaks, ....one has to wonder.

This mysterious Indiannan who thinks he's coy /cute /fetching, demure/ intriguing, and won't tell us what he does for a living ( I think he's an azzwhole, on that score, and KNOW what he does for a living FWIW) says this thread's not about drugs, and that we need Martial Law here.

I'll flex a bit, and back offa' the drugs issue, and fall back to my original premise .

This is about HOSTILE incursion,....NOT "Juan and Maria".

...and I'll tell ya,....at this point I'll guarantee that more Feds = more incursions



GTC

You're a [bleep] inside the beltway idiot, Mate.

GTC