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Yeah, I think so. This or any other Euro that you can get for a good price used. I have an S&B with a modified German 4 I got for $600 that I sure as hell won't be able to get more scope/dollar against. I bought a Meopta with a Duplex that I got for $360 that's probably equal scope/dollar, but I don't think chances are very good of doing that again.
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I have a Karl Kaps 4x36 with a 30mm tube and a German number 4, I am very pleased with the purchase.
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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Meopta - best #4 reticle I've used
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Swaro Z3 is not nor has not been offered with a #4. You can get one retro-fitted, but it will cost you shipping there plus $170 to Swarovski.
Just sayin'...
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I'll second Mr. Tate, I own a few meoptas with #4 reticle have been behind several others. The meopta meopro is the best bang for buck in my opinion.
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I do love the performance of Meopta scopes and really like their #4 but do wish the center wire were a tad thicker for moonlight use on hogs.
My favorite overall is the discontinued #4 by Zeiss.
As to the question: #1-Zeiss Diavari Victory 2.5-10x50 #2-Swarovski PV 2.5-10x56 #3-Zeiss Diavari Victory 3-12x56
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Swaro Z3 is not nor has not been offered with a #4. You can get one retro-fitted, but it will cost you shipping there plus $170 to Swarovski.
Just sayin'... Z3 with a 4A reticle are found all over the place .
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yes, but no one asked about a 4-a reticle. The #4 and #4-a are NOT the same. And to re-iterate: the Z3 is not and has not been offered with a #4 as a standard listing. THIS is a #4: THIS is a #4-a:
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yes, but no one asked about a 4-a reticle. The #4 and #4-a are NOT the same. And to re-iterate: the Z3 is not and has not been offered with a #4 as a standard listing. THIS is a #4: THIS is a #4-a: Who said they were identical?
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IIRC, the swaro 4a on the Z3 3-9 subtends 16" @ 100yds at 9x and the Zeiss #4 subtends 17" @ 100yds at 9x.
It's more company specific than a hard & fast rule
(the center between the heavy posts, that is)
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I ain't seen them all, I like the Meopro but agree the center could likely be a little thicker.
I've no use for Swaro rifle scopes.
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IIRC, the swaro 4a on the Z3 3-9 subtends 16" @ 100yds at 9x and the Zeiss #4 subtends 17" @ 100yds at 9x.
It's more company specific than a hard & fast rule
(the center between the heavy posts, that is) Was looking at a Leica 4A and it looks more like a #4
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I ain't seen them all, I like the Meopro but agree the center could likely be a little thicker.
I've no use for Swaro rifle scopes. Used to buy them, do not miss them at all.
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For best in terms of glass for low light I'd go with a fixed S&B 6x42...but dang short mounting latitude and heavy.
Swaro Z3 for a short action...for me
Meopta 6x42 with their #4 can't be wrong to save a buck or two. Great mounting latitude for long or short actions. I like the thin cross-hair in a 4 reticle. If the light gets low enough your eye is going to fill in that gap anyway--and the light will always get low enough to disappear any cross-hair, while still seeing the posts. The posts just gotta be close enough...and they are.
OTOH, the center section in a Leica 4 is enough to drive a truck through
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Here's a Meopta 4C for comparison, I have it in a used 3-12x50 FFP that was a bargain, though no idea on best for money... yes, but no one asked about a 4-a reticle. The #4 and #4-a are NOT the same. And to re-iterate: the Z3 is not and has not been offered with a #4 as a standard listing. THIS is a #4: THIS is a #4-a: Who said they were identical?
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I passed on the big Meopta 3-12 x 56 once as the illuminated dot covered about 2 inches or so at 100 IIRC, then it was huge as well. I am fond of the #4 in the Meopro fixed 6 x 42, it is on a Kimber montana in 308.
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Here's a Meopta 4C for comparison, I have it in a used 3-12x50 FFP that was a bargain, though no idea on best for money... yes, but no one asked about a 4-a reticle. The #4 and #4-a are NOT the same. And to re-iterate: the Z3 is not and has not been offered with a #4 as a standard listing. THIS is a #4: THIS is a #4-a: Who said they were identical? Thats a nice reticle although I wont complain about the 4K i have on my 3-12x56 R1 either
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For best in terms of glass for low light I'd go with a fixed S&B 6x42...but dang short mounting latitude and heavy.
Swaro Z3 for a short action...for me
Meopta 6x42 with their #4 can't be wrong to save a buck or two. Great mounting latitude for long or short actions. I like the thin cross-hair in a 4 reticle. If the light gets low enough your eye is going to fill in that gap anyway--and the light will always get low enough to disappear any cross-hair, while still seeing the posts. The posts just gotta be close enough...and they are.
OTOH, the center section in a Leica 4 is enough to drive a truck through Ok I have been looking at illustrations of it on the interweb and it appears to not be the case...I would hate to buy the damn thing and thne find out otherwise.
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