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.280 Rem pro's... con's... accuracy...? Any and all info will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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Great cartridge. Ballistic twin to the 270. If you're a Handloader, lots of bullet options. If you're not a Handloader, ammo is more limited.
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Not a GW but it is one of my all-time favourite chamberings. Ammo availability/selection can be limited. con  It is loaded to 60k Psi like the .30'06 , this is both a pro & con depending on how you look at it. And whether you Handload for it  It's unfortunate that the 7mm Express variant wasn't actually loaded up to .270 levels ( 65k Psi ), as this is the cartridge which the .280 is most often compared to. The .280 cases are the same length (2.540"), with the 17.5 degree shoulder moved forward ~.050" to preclude accidental chambering and firing in a .270 chamber. I've owned and shot several .280's over the years, and only had 1 that wouldn't consistently shoot sub-MOA
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mailmanmark,
I've owned several .280's over the years, all nicely accurate. One of them was custom rifle by Dave Gentry that was my main big game rifles for a while in the 1990's, partly because it was also a lucky rifle. Killed a caribou and a mule deer with it that are still among my biggest of each species.
But I never could tell any difference between the way the .280 and the .270 in the field, whether in hitting or killing. Might even include the .30-06 in that comparison too. Now, the right 7mm bullets do have enough higher BC's than .270 bullets to drift less in the wind, but at "normal" hunting ranges (generally considered under 500 yards) there simply isn't any realistic difference, especially with some of the newer .270 bullets available today.
I finally got weary of trying to find .280 brass, especially during this last spate of panic-buying by shooters, so no longer own a .280. But many rifle loonies feel their life won't be complete without experiencing one.
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Also not a G W but an OLD handloader.
A great cartridge w/more potential than factory ammo offers.
As has been stated, a 7mm twin to the 270 W for reloaders. Brass can be hard to find if you don't buy/use Rem. ammo.
If I had bought a 280 R in the 70s I might not have bought a 270.
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Always gonna be a place in my heart for one, though is presently none in my gun safe. If you like something just slightly different than a normal 270, without being an off the wall wildcat that will make your gun hard to sell, it certainly has a niche.
Versatile too, as I killed my first buck mule deer, buck whitetail, bull elk and buck antelope with one. I'll own one again.
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mailmanmark,
I've owned several .280's over the years, all nicely accurate. One of them was custom rifle by Dave Gentry that was my main big game rifles for a while in the 1990's, partly because it was also a lucky rifle. Killed a caribou and a mule deer with it that are still among my biggest of each species.
But I never could tell any difference between the way the .280 and the .270 in the field, whether in hitting or killing. Might even include the .30-06 in that comparison too. Now, the right 7mm bullets do have enough higher BC's than .270 bullets to drift less in the wind, but at "normal" hunting ranges (generally considered under 500 yards) there simply isn't any realistic difference, especially with some of the newer .270 bullets available today.
I finally got weary of trying to find .280 brass, especially during this last spate of panic-buying by shooters, so no longer own a .280. But many rifle loonies feel their life won't be complete without experiencing one. Cant be said better. I've owned several, including a nice a custom Mauser . Last one was maybe 10 years ago in a M70 Classic.I recently passed on a mint Rem 700 MR for reasons stated above. Have killed with the cartridge using 140 gr Partitions and 140 Bitterroots,both of which started at about 3050 fps. About 5 years ago I watched two very nice mule deer killed with a 270 and a 280, both at 350-400 yards. No difference at all.If you've killed game with a 270,you've killed it with a 280 Great cartridge and what I'd use if I did not have a 270, but I'm not going to sell a 270 to get one; and don't see any sense in owning both.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Personally I think the 280 is crap, so much that I've been shooting this one since Rem thought 7mm Express might sell more guns..  ![[Linked Image]](http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz14/Arch48/IMG_0709.jpg)
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I like the 280.I also like the 270.The only real difference used to be the 7MM size had a better bullet selection than the 270.Now the 270 probably has an equal amount of bullets for selection.What is also nice about a 280 is how easy it is turned into a 280AI.Up to and including 150 grain bullets I could stay with the 7 Rem.mag with my 280AIs.I do not know the reason.Maybe I overloaded them,but they never seemed to show signs of too much pressure.
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mailmanmark, It's difficult to find any 'cons' regarding the .280. I handload for mine, and have a lifetime supply of brass, so no worries there. This target was with the first handloads I shot thru my custom pre'64 Win M70 and its new PacNor barrel. It's a little hard not to fall in love with a rifle that shoots with this kind of accuracy, with several bullet types and powder choices. Shortly after shooting this group, this rifle went to New Zealand, where I used it on Tahr, Chamois, and Red Stag with 140 gr. Accubond bullets, with great results. My .280 is easily one of the two most accurate big game calibers I own, and I suspect many others have had the same results with theirs. ![[Linked Image]](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4QCOtxDwU4A/VdXx-RD3BJI/AAAAAAAABBE/avslpddhjEA/s800-Ic42/.280%252520target%252520color.JPG)
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I've owned one since 1982. It is a Ruger M77 tang safety and seen alot of action. It is one of my all time favorite cartridges.
Loaded properly (62-65k psi), it does everything a 7mm should do. It can be built in a flyweight without kicking like a mule, shoots flat enough with reasonable big game bullets to be effective at ranges longer than most should shoot, and is generally pretty easy to load for. Re 22 is your friend. Add a 150/160 Partition and your done for the next 175 years.
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I only have two what could be called serious full blown custom rifles. One was someone else's that I got at an estate sale. A very nice .35 Whelen that fit me like a glove. Price was right so I bought it.
The second was one I had built for me. A 1909 Argentine Mauser, 24" barrel, beautiful piece of walnut and very nice checkering. Cartridge? The .280 Remington. Still playing with the load work up for this one but I'm thinking a 150 gr. Nobler icebound at 3010 FPS should to a decent job. If not there's always the 150 gr. Partition. Note at Remington factory ammo does just a hair over 2800 FPS with the 150 gr. Core-loct in my rifle.
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The .280 Remington. Still playing with the load work up for this one but I'm thinking a 150 gr.{ Nobler
icebound} at 3010 FPS should to a decent job.
If not there's always the 150 gr. Partition.
Paul B. I thot I was fairly up to date ? ? reckon not! ! Who makes "Noblers" "icebound" ? ...You going to the Arctic?   Jerry ps: I really think you did that on purpose but don't tell anyone.
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Why not get the 7x64 Brenneke? 98 years old..
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Not being hateful but I can think of several reasons not to get the Brenneke.
Too many hurdles when they are unnecessary. (hurdles that don't have to be jumped.)
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Pro's: way better than the .270. Accurate as you can be, plenty of bullets of you reload, a decent amount of you don't. It kills like Thor's hammer. .270 shooters will always try to be as cool as you but just never will.
Cons: you'll have jealous .270 owners try to run it down. You have jealous .270 owners always trying to buy it from you, you might not actually get to shoot a deer because they will tip over dead out of respect for your .280.
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Pro's: way better than the .270. Accurate as you can be, plenty of bullets of you reload, a decent amount of you don't. It kills like Thor's hammer. .270 shooters will always try to be as cool as you but just never will.
..... There's more horse hockey in the whole post than in my whole horse pasture. RE read BobNH's post in this thread. I like the 280 R (7mm Rem Express) and have NO animosity toward it nor its users. If I had a 280 I would not miss the 270; I do have some 270s and would be just as happy if they were 280s. Jerry
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What twist for 175gr bullets in the regular or AI?
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1-9 will do it for most 175's, but if you want to use absolutely any 175-180 under any conditions, 1-8.
But all .270 and .280 users would actually be better off with a B-29.
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