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We do need to have the argument.....and its about funding.

Its amazing to me how I get my ass chewed about how much it costs to replace a 15 year old vehicle part but the same assclown can get fleeced for over 20 percent of his income, sight unseen, to import and fund an MS-13 member who drives a two year old Cadillac....

Seize all SS funds and do away with the system. Do away with the VA and all involved. Stop all welfare. Stop all Medicare and Medicare. Close all jails and prisons. Just execute all incarcerated. Stop paying the military. it is simple really.

Of course most people left to their own devices take care of those worth taking care of.
All else is a simple matter of eliminating waste, which some people are.

Of course its always better to kick the can down the road knowing someone else will be able to deal with it.

I don't know about you, but like most people I blow the next paycheck on beer and eat the months groceries in a day....because someone needs to be responsible and deal with real consequences.

The hell it isn't.

I imagine anyone with half a brain could figure out how to shuffle military resources from nonessential out of country to down on the border.

Kent

A manned post every 35 yards or so?

Depends on the nature of the terrain. Whatever the terrain I figure manned posts on an average of 440 yards. Detection would be their primary function as opposed to interdiction.

Spacing would be closer some places, further apart over the vast open spaces out West.

What's the point of detecting them, then?

No manned outposts...

tactical response teams.

Kent

Well, not watch towers spaced on the border... vantage points utilized obviously.

Kent

A good FO and some air support would be nice.

I'd settle for 3 jarheads and a 4 deuce as a start.

We could ramp it up from there when the coyotes start targeting the OP's.

Someone just has to give the order to take off the gloves and put on the brass knuckles.

Estimated cost is 140 billion over 20 years. My guess is that illegals easily make up that much of the 2.5 trillion spent on Social Security, medical and health care. The answer is easy. Implementing it, not so much. We are still a democratic republic, and as long as the States send screwballs to Washington it ain't gonna happen.

Some years back I did a little hangin' out with (at that time) State Senator Frank Antonori. Actually worked on his campaign for a while.

His views on surveillance / response parallel yours, Kent.

Had the formation of the Arizona State Guard not been obstructed and thwarted the application of his methodology would have been VERY effective, and founded on AFFORDABILITY, and practical personal experience in the field.

His book, “Roughneck Nine-One: The extraordinary Story of a Special Forces A-Team at War," is a worthwhile read.

GTC

Shoot the present occupants of the vantage points.

The longer this is debated, the harder it will be to implement.

WTF is it you don't understand about clear and prevailing evidence that J&M are FLYING in , and RIDING in,....no longer trekking across the frontier ?

Guess you're not going to tell us what you do for a living, either.

Carrying on a "debate" with you is like flirting with a Geisha girl.

GTC

Illegals cost the tax payer over 100 billion a year, about 3/4s of that by the state yaxpayer.

Start knocking that down by percentages and eventually, even if you only reduce illegals by 50% you will see a substantial improvement in savings, plus removing a high percentage criminal element.

Of course saying it won't be done doesn't mean it can't be done.

Kent

Of course it can be done. Is John McCain going to do it?

The costs keep snowballing as well. Increasing every year. Every day.

We don't need to be saying "Enough".

We need to be screaming it.

I don't know how the cartels can afford to have lookouts, run expensive, armored, weapon mounted, hightech, nightvision, highspeed blackout, across 100 miles of desert roads... it's got to cost them trillions.

And I don't know why a BP agent with a tahoe, glock, intermittent radio and two hours from backup can't sit in the road and yell stop at them...

Kent