Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Are Atheists more honest than Christians?

nope nobody knows for sure, although some people seem pretty sure of their position.


perhaps it's just lights out, but I don't think so and certainly hope not.


but I will tell you this, leadership is important, very important, often underrated.


I'm a lot more comfortable being led by someone that no matter how smart they actually are, that they believe in a higher power or purpose than themselves.

one of the great hallmarks of a good leader, again imo, is not only confidence but a certain amount of humility.


that's just my experience of kicking around the planet for 50 some odd years.

and while I'm very aware of the major transgressions of those that say they believe in a higher power and use that to dupe others for their own personal gain

I've often found some of the best of the best are men of a deep and abiding faith.


YMMV and it's okay, I believe also we're each meant to find our own path to happiness and truth.

Well, thanks for your generous pass I suppose - but am thinking it's not needed. If you can show me a direct quote of my own words as used in any effort simply to convince you that God does exist, I will own it - and will accept your pass. Short of such clear evidence, thanks anyway.

Yeah, I'm not much of a philosophical debater, more of a Wheaties or corn flakes guy.

I like to keep things fairly simple for my simple brain.

I suppose I could break down the molecular difference between Wheaties and corn flakes, but I have no interest in it.

What is clear evidence?

Hey Ghost,keeping things simple is best.Atheism is not a religion in itself.Most Atheist believe in evolution which is a belief system (read as faith).They are not honest with themselves.They talk as though its fact and they know its not, its just what they believe in(have faith in).

Bingo and it does apply to religion alone.

Some Atheists seem to be just as passionate about their Atheistic beliefs as others are about their Christian beliefs. They zealously defend their Atheistic beliefs, as others zealously defend their Christian beliefs. Christians cannot prove God's existence, and Atheists cannot dis-prove God's existence.

This

You don't remember going 100+ posts with me during one of these discussions?

I think in many instances it's not being passionate about being an atheist, it's being tired of being told who/what/when/where by Christians.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men. Because that which may be known of God is manifest in man; for God hath shewed it unto them.

The invisible things of God from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that man is without excuse:

Because that, when man knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were they thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Ironically, it's the Christians currently being told who/what/when/where by Government.

How could atheists possibly be more honest......when they don't know the TRUTH?

So, if a Christian has faith and tries to tell you about it, are they being dishonest? Or is it only when they try to convince you of it are they being dishonest.

Does it mean that when you start up the discussion about Christianity being dishonest, whereby you pretty much prompt people to argue why they believe, subsequently you classify them as trying to convince you of their position, and further you classify them, by your logic, as being dishonest, that in the long run, you're just being a disingenuous troll?

Circular arguments go both ways.

No bullshit.

By the way, faith doesn't make me better. It just makes me, me.

If for some reason you feel that faith makes a person better - that's your problem?

As for the rest of your innuendo, i.e. "Because most Religious people I've met end up using their beliefs to judge others and make themselves feel superior--sometimes 'innocently' and often maliciously.", sorry you met those folks. It's obvious that they guide your opinion. Kind of sad really.

Answer the question of '...Who, what, where, did/does the concept of honest/dis-honest, right/wrong, or truth/lie originate with/from?...' and you will be more able to answer your question....IMHO

Anyone that believes all this (as far as we can see) was NOT created......requires much more faith than Christianity.

It all this has 'always been', don't you thoughtful and kind evolutionists have to believe a superior being would have 'evolved' in all these trillions of years?

Infinity in time and space requires that every possible combination of everything, has already happened, an infinite number of times.

If it was "created" why are things still so screwed up?

You're just one more example of a "Christian" trying to claim your beliefs are superior, and anyone who doesn't agree isn't as smart as you.

Thanks for proving the OP's point

Screwed up?

There's nothing illegal going on here.

Reminds me of the joke... a bible thumper and an athiest walked into a bar...

Kent

Is that the one where the Bible guy hits his head and says "ouch", but the athiest hits his head and yells, "God Dammit!"

I always liked that one...