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I just said "evidence", I did not specify the nature of the evidence. However, if your evidence is not something that manifests in the material world, that makes it really had to test and verify.

So let me ask you, do you think this is an "honest position":

I am going to tell you why someone happens the way it does. Now I have no evidence for this, and the evidence that does exist indicates I am wrong, but I'm going to choose to believe this anyway because, (I was indoctrinated to believe this as a kid, because it makes me feel good, because my preacher says so, because some bronze age goat herders say so, etc.....)

If that really an honest position?

You are being told a lie. This country was founded on profit not Christianity. The Christian nation thing is a history book fabel.

Gotta hand it to you....you're persistent. Let me ask you for an honest answer if you possibly can. A simple yes or no may even suffice......



One day we will find out who is right, won't we?

JDM, let me help you understand science a little better.

Imagine that someone commits a murder, and no one witnessed it. The detectives show up and find tire track evidence, foot wear evidence, hair and fiber evidence, the murder weapon with finger prints, and DNA evidence, all pointing to the same suspect. Are you claiming it's impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt this person did it because we don't have an eye witness? Are you saying such a conviction would require Religion? Such a position is preposterous.

As for evolution being "just another theory", again, you are demonstrating your lack of scientific education.

In science a Theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation.

A scientific theory is a broad, natural explanation for a wide range of phenomena. Theories are concise, coherent, systematic, predictive, and broadly applicable, often integrating and generalizing many hypotheses."

Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. Facts and theories are two different things. In the scientific method, there is a clear distinction between facts, which can be observed and/or measured, and theories, which are scientists’ explanations and interpretations of the facts.

An important part of scientific theory includes statements that have observational consequences. A good theory, like Newton’s theory of gravity, has unity, which means it consists of a limited number of problem-solving strategies that can be applied to a wide range of scientific circumstances. Another feature of a good theory is that it formed from a number of hypotheses that can be tested independently.

So the next time you say Evolution is "just a theory", remember, The Theory of Gravity, Germ Theory, the Theory of Plate Tectonics, Theory of Relativity (general and special), and the Heliocentric Theory are all "just Theories".

As for the Theory of Evolution. Scientist have the fossils and the DNA. We win.

Agree.

No, we won't. We will be dead.

Before you can asset that, you must actually demonstrate a mind that can act independent of a brain. When our brain dies, all evidence indicated, so does our mind, so once we die, there will be nothing of us remaining to "know" anything.

Yea, it sucks, but that's what the evidence indicates.

Here is the problem with what you are saying. Christ died for and loves the very people you want to "step away" from. If you are going to follow Christ you have to put up with and bear with people, particularly HIS people, because he does. It always helps to take the plank our of your own eye before you take gnat out of someone else's eye.

Show me a good action that can be taken by a Christian, that cannot be taken by an Atheist.

I'd put my money on everyone being wrong. It's not just Christians vs Atheists with one being the winner, its thousands of different ideas and beliefs all trying to figure it out. I'm thinking no one's done it yet, and maybe never will.

That is the damage of your Christianity. Because of some Bible verse, you don't even think we should examine the problem, attempt to identify the root causes, and implement solutions to reduce the suffering of other humans because your Bible says, OH, they will always be with you....implying, don't even try to improve their lot in life.

Thank you for demonstrating how a Bible verse can direct a well meaning Christian into immoral thinking.

You don't think starving, and not having access to fresh water affects a persons quality of life?

Do you honestly think you could have a high quality of life on a dollar a day and "faith".

In interesting to hear that you place more value on Faith then the actual real suffering or real people in this world.

My life is actually pretty good. But for the bottom billion, yea, it kind of sucks.

Before the 13.8 billion, WE DON'T KNOW. There are some idea's out there, but nothing that's been elevated to the level of a Scientific Theory.

What I will tell you, is that if and when someone does figure it out, it will be a Scientist, not a Theologian.

OK, Honestly - What do Atheist believe?

Do you believe that's there is such a thing as Good and Evil in the world?

How about the supernatural? Ghosts, spirits, possession?

I do not support man made global warming models. As the Economist Thomas Sowell points out, the changes in temperature and CO2 levels do not correlate. In addition, statisticians have demonstrated that you can put totally random date into the climate models and still get the dreaded "hockey stick".

Nope, the evidence for human caused global warming is week, and contradictory, and none of the Chicken Littles have provided sufficient evidence that some warming would be bad. In their analysis, they fail to consider the benefits of a warming earth such as fewer cold deaths, and the ability to grow more crops in higher latitudes. Greenland used to be green, and Norway used to be a large producer of grapes, during the Medieval Warm Phase.

Liberals are not very skilled at evaluating both sides of an equation.

Without Faith, what does a Christian have?

A more clear view of reality.

Curdog,

We all stand on the shoulders of giants.

Please see my post regarding the Murder Suspect. You don't have to see something in person to be able to evaluate the evidence. If that was the case, our entire jury system would make no sense. Are you really proposing that only someone who witnessed a crime could be on the jury to evaluate the evidence?

He also died for unbelievers, yet Christians are told to "come out from among unbelievers, and separate yourselves from them"...Christ died for and loves the very unbelievers that scripture tells Christians to 'step away' from. For you to insist that being a disciple of Christ means that you must follow the group of what has become a lot of 'Christians' and 'Christianity' nowadays likely speaks to why people have left 'the church' in droves, and it illustrates clearly what Steelhead meant when he said "it's not being passionate about being an atheist, it's being tired of being told who/what/when/where by Christians". Putting up with, and bearing with, the type of Christians and Christianity that I described in my post above...and more importantly, being a disciple of Jesus...does NOT mean agreeing with their position or being a part of their clique. Thank God.

That's exactly what it was based upon. The original colony in Plymouth had investors who paid for the ship ride over, initial supplies etc, who were expecting a return on their investment.

I figured as much. That has nothing to do with my question, which is one day we'll see if you're right, or I'm right (since I agree with the Bible). Guess you're a dishonest atheist and won't answer.