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Pretty much all I learned from this thread is that Tibbe is one of those pathetic drama queens who acts offended and says he's going to leave... and then doesn't. Of course, at his age, this forum may be all he has going in his life. It's just too bad that all those years didn't leave him with something worthwhile to offer.

"In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments"


By your very own link, you fit the description.

You've lost the argument about serial numbers, MOVE ON!!!

But of course, you won't because you're a troll...

You mean except for when you are calling me a fraud?

Calhoun:

I don't know why you want to persist is chasing this peripheral issue that has already been beat to death. But once again I will say:

Way back at the inception I injected some qualifiers and exceptions:

* There may be some "antique" guns without serial numbers. * There may be some guns in "estate collections".
* There could be some wildcatters or self made guns or guns re-barreled or modified by a gunsmith after market, or guns that simply had the serial numbers wiped off.

When you speak of Savage Stevens you are going back to 1864, the merger and then the split and closure of one in 1936.

I spoke today to one gun dealer that I had a lot of dealings
with over many years. I asked him if he ever saw guns come in without serial numbers and he said no. Further in his state private owners cannot sell guns to each other any more due to the "Safe Act". The gun has to go through a FFL and he said further that if there was any indication at all that the serial number had been removed he wouldn't touch it. He added that military guns in WW11 all had serial numbers and even those in WW1 also had SN's.

You haven't given the age of your guns, when you acquired them and from whom and all pertinent history. You expect people to believe you on faith! Unless these guns were acquired by your grandfather and were originals in the family I doubt that you can even give the true history of them accurately.

The numbers of center fire rifles in existence, without SN's, is comparatively miniscule. As I amplified above, a major, successful gun dealer in business decades who has sold thousands of guns doesn't see guns without SN's.

You don't seem to grasp the relative magnitude. Instead you persist in efforts to build grandiose, misguided mountains out of mole hills. For what motive remains to discover. Either for the purpose of deliberately antagonizing and trying to fire up an argument or for the purpose of attempting to discredit me ? But the fact remains that you selectively cherry pick comments and bury the peripheral conditions while zooming up selective comments.

Why should I believe you? You won't believe me. That little cabal of gang bangers persisted in unloading on me with a plethora of insults and malicious sniping. Their lips got stiffened when my photo was posted - egad, with an animal !!! But conversely I didn't see any of their photos with animals.

I asked anyone who owned a rifle without a serial number to raise their hand and I only saw 3 or 4 at most. There was only one of them that I would actually believe.

I don't know if you are a fraud or not. I only know that you will never be able to prove that you are not.

In the meantime your post was civil and polite enough and I do appreciate that.

"if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging"

The first law of holes, or the law of holes, is an adage which states that "if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging".[1][2] The meaning behind it is that if you find yourself in an untenable position, you should stop and change what you are doing, rather than carrying on and exacerbating the situation.

Drover:

Good advice. I agree. Unfortunately Calhoun doesn't get it yet.

He's not talking about Calhoun you idiot

Hell - I already know that.

He's talking about you.

Jesus man, wake up and smell the coffee!

Pot, meet kettle... (my one and only contribution to this hilarious thread)

It's interesting to me. I find most older gentlemen to be far more respectful and formal in conversations on the web much more like they would be face to face. You seem to be the exception. You mask your rudeness behind a façade of civility.

If you behave like this face to face I'm pretty sure you have very few real friends and have a pretty good track record getting your ass kicked.

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Hi JGray:

Me too, I'm laughing my butt off at some selective aspects and simultaneously not kidding at all.

But you're right - I did say I was leaving the site but unfortunately I had three subjects going and lost track of which I did say I would abandon.

Posters kept on asking questions and being the nice guy that I am I didn't want to leave them in the lurch so I relented.

But anyway - enjoy.

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Why would you want to drop you skivvies and show your posterior, on an international forum; confirming alliance with the little cabal and above all convincing Foreigners that Americans are jerks and screwballs ? Do you know what Ugly Americans are overseas ?
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I have gone to some length to demonstrate that I am polite, courteous, do not use expletives, do not launch personal attacks and want to help people. All commendable attributes that a role model would promote. Yet you elect to challenge, impugn, degrade, sully, and do whatever your mind comes to - to destruct with malicious malevolence those positive attributes.

What a sad day for that segment of my fellow Americans that are so bent on tearing down the good and supplanting it with evil.

I'm done here on this thread.
No more from me.

I've been on these hunting forums for 12-15 years and it is always the same old carbon copy of those pervasive low life's that spoil everything. That little segment that are world class trouble makers.

Funny. I've met on the order of 50-60 of these "Cabal" folks face to face over the years. Hunted a few critters, shared a few drinks and a few superb meals and a general good time. I think I have a much better feel for their measure than you. You might want to check just who is showing their posterior. I'd suggest the use of a mirror.

Pugs:

With respect I'm done. Adios. No more. Sorry. Just isn't interesting nor productive.

UH! - No, it was meant to you Mr. Tibbe.

If you can put aside your mistaken ideas long enough to read this perhaps you will understand that your take on serial numbers is in error. It is very good disertation on the subject and explains it quite thoroughly.

http://pennlago.com/are-firearms-without-serial-numbers-illegal/

He won't......

Just think of him as Herpes Simplex of this forum...