Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles Why was the 270-08 never made commercial

its viable in the -06. 25-06, 270, 280...

Look at the .260 and 7-08 with same, and that should give you a good clue. @3000fps I'd say.

The 270-08 will be here soon. Ammo companies are now competing to fill all the remaining -08 niches. In fact, I've heard from a reliable source that PMC is working dilignently on the 311-08. 180 grain bullet at 2651 fps, it's going to take the shooting world by storm.

IMHO, Nothing in 311 caliber will take the shooting world by storm. Americans at least, have no love for that diameter.

Why not buy a 250-3000?

that's a real good comparison and loaded up to modern pressures is an excellent choice, except for it being a bit longer than the 08 case, which gets back to it being fed into a true short-action.

My only question is....what kind of velocities would you be able to obtain with a 250-3000?? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I was just trying for a little levity. I'm not saying that I succeeded.

Are we splitting hairs here or what! A few points: How on earth is the 257-08 great but the 260 not?
I like short actions but don't dislike long actions.
Less recoil is better but if I have to shoot 257 fast then a 25-06 shouldn't scare anyone with its recoil. If I wanted (not needed) a short action then the 25wssm is there, or even better a 260 Rem -heaven forbid I compare the two when they are sooo different. Why make a 270-08?? Beats me when people like myself consider both and decide by simply picking action size or flatter shooting vs. slightly softer kicking. Does either round do something the other won't? The difference between those two is not large enough to require anything "more in between" - especially with the 7mm-08 out there. We got a million 7mm cartridges, a million 30 cal. and people -we already have a 270! How many here were complaining about the new fangled WSSMs and how the gun companies need to spend time insuring higher quality controls, building better fitted rifles, rather than trying to fool us with cartridges that don't do anything a plethora of others already do? Maybe I just don't have cash enough to invent solutions for issues that don't exist.

Heh - you're not in marketing, are you ?

The 260 is already here and rules over them all, 24's 25,s 27, and 28,s.

Why would anybody want to shoot a caliber that cant match up to it?

The 308's logistics,never make it a poor choice,if only by default.

I easily prefer the 7-08,but I'm biased...............

Yeah, I know you are, but then I cant argue with your success either.

I wonder if I'll ever see the day that Big Stick owns a 26 caliber rifle...?

I understand what you're asking, and my answer is that I'm not sure why some calibers take off and others don't.

Like you said, the .280 has never been popular, but the .270 and .30-06 are all-get-out in popularity.

I suspect that the factories probably played with .270-08 in their research laboratories, but didn't find anything particular useful.

Add to this that the .270 is bracketed by the .260 Rem. and 7mm-08 Rem., then it gets a bit easier to see.

Also, for those who mentioned it. I would love to see a .25-08, and also a .25 WSM (***NOT*** WSSM).

BT/DT...that's why I've no love,but admittedly boolit choices is much better Today. Pair of 264Win's.

The Pimp had a rear grip XP Repeater in 260 and it weren't too hard to take,but he had to rebarrel it to 7-08 to get the warm/fuzzy.

For fun,the 162A-Max alone,is reason enough to go 7mm Sumptin'.........................

I'd like you to tell me just exactly what the 243 win does so wonderfully better than a 260 Rem?

There is never going to be a 270-08 because someone will go and shoot a 7mm-08 in it.

For that matter I still wonder why we ever got a .277" diameter bullet anyway?

For that matter I still wonder why we ever got a .277" diameter bullet anyway?

Because there was already a 6.5mm and a 7mm sticking out of a case like the 30-06. Winchester chose to make a bullet size in between them and came up with a winner. Regardless of what anyone wants to say about the 270 Winchester, it was a stroke of genius on Winchester's part and perhaps paid the biggest dividend of any cartridge Winchester or Remington ever came out with in a bolt action rifle.

The 256 Newton is now history and the 7X64 and 280 have never come close to the numbers the 270 has put up in sales. It would be a simple thing to make a 270X308 so that a 260 or 7mm-08 would not chamber in it but I would say Winchester knows that the sales it would bring would not make it worthwhile. It will be interesting to see if the 260 is around in 75 years like the 270 Winchester has been.

I believe that the .270/08 wildcat cartridge has another and prior name. A name that was given to it by its designer. Richard Beebe many many years ago. He named it after the reloading company with which he was asscociated; hence, the 270 Redding.

Perhaps this may not truly count as an exact pedecessor because he choose a 30-degree shoulder for his version. However, or so my sources tell me, an earlier version yet did retain the original shoulder angle of its brand new parent cartridge - the .243 Winchester. And we all know were that came from. Credit for this pioneering 6.8 wildcat goes to a Maynard Sorensen.

The top 130 grain load for the Redding is quoted as being 2977 feet per second with H-414. If this is true, then this sawed off round does indeed get up into 270 Winchester territory.

Over the years, I have certainly chronographed speeds less that this with various factory 270 Winchester loads in a variety of barrel lengths. My old full stocked Husqvarna with a 20.5" barrel gave only a depressing 2786 fps with one popular brand of 130 grain factory ammo. The deer went down anyway. Of course, given a correctly placed shot, it does not really take much to kill a deer.

Hornady's Light Magum 270 Winchester factory load is a notable exception to the above in that it does what it claims to do, or very close to it. I just wish I could safely handload my 130s to their velocities. It irrates me that they have advantages that I do not. The stuff shoots very accurately also and the Interbond version would seem adequate for elk as well. With a little luck, I will verify this assumption this season.

I am a pretty big 270 Win fan. And when the 6.8 SPC came out, I thought I would like to have a smaller 277 based cartridge. Then I thought about the 270-08 and was real close to having one built, then I came to my senses. I thought why go to all the trouble when I already have a bunch of 270 Win rifles. Spend the money on reloading supplies and go shoot the crap out of the rifles I own.

But with all that being said, I do find the 270-08 appealing and I have to talk some sense into myself every once in a while. I think Mark D. has a great concept of what this rifle should be.

As far as a 257-08. This guy makes one based offf of a 260 case.
http://www.duanesguns.com/pages/dgr.htm

This?

http://www.stevespages.com/jpg/cd270reddingshortaction.jpg