Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire dear Eric308

So as not to derail the other thread where you are so completely getting your ass handed to you, I'll use this to engage you in debate if you have the balls to
And since it have nothing better to do right now except watch mud dry

You say it's time for logic but you yourself don't use any

In your mind it is not ok for me to own a single 15 or 30 round magazine, yet I can own and carry any number of 10 round magazines.


Please explain how reduced round count will curtail the number of people injured/killed in one of these trajedies?..

You're aware that it takes approximately 1 second to change magazines aren't you?

You do know that the AR wasn't used yesterday right?

Do you hold any responsibility for this on the school administration who not only had their security personnel unarmed, but also prevented a student who was armed from intervening armed quite possibly, as we saw with yhe Oregon (I believe) mall shooter who immediately turned his gun on himself once he was that he was being engaged by a CCWer- could have drastically mitigated any further casualties?

crickets...

Don't forget the verified statistics of reduced violent crime and murder rates being lower now than at any time since the early 1980s (or beforehand), along with other crime being on the decline - all the while firearms ownership is at all time highs as well as concealed carry being much the accepted legal norm than otherwise.

Oh, and before he cites (if he even would) any "public health statistics", those are worthless as they are funded specifically by Michael Bloomberg with the stated mission to justify his anti-2A agenda (that goes for Johns Hopkins, Harvard, Chicago, Washington, and others). Those numbers are quickly debunked by academic research done outside of his funding streams at places like Harvard Law School and others.

Then again, he and his ilk NEVER mention the rampant crime rates in places like Chicago and Baltimore, nor do they get into the demographics of gun crimes and the attendant reasons underlying those numbers (the gun isn't to blame), nor do they EVER mention that each of these school shooters has been on psychotropic drugs and come from nearly identical backgrounds.

So much for the "weight of evidence".

Eric is a liberal plant. I'd wager he makes minimum wage spamming websites such as this one.

Not a bad gig I guess, it beats flippin quarter pounders all day.

No, now the going wage for folks like him is $15 an hour.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and offer him the chance to debate


I'm serious fellas I'm getting paid 37 bucks an hour to watch mud dry today, and I'll be here until 6 tonight


Eric I'm waiting

Eric, if we are going to ban standard capacity magazines. Then that should go for LE and political security agencies as well correct, as well as bans on "assault rifles"?

I'm at my day job, so briefly (I'm only a part-time ISIS/DNC plant).

No law acceptable to a free society is going to eliminate any and all possible techniques for inflicting mass-casualties by a determined actor, and we could discuss all day the mechanics of quick mag changes in stressful situations. And if I'm correct, there were concealed carriers present who were innefective (could be wrong about that, details still sketchy).

However, limiting large cap mags in semi-autos is, I believe, addressing at least one common denominator in these shootings. Limiting firearm access to those who are unfit, limiting the numbers of firearms specifically designed for and ideally suited to mass casualty shootings, will I believe help the problem.

Its folly to say because we can't do everything we should do nothing, and I'm not convinced further saturating the landscape with guns is the answer.

That concealed carrier was prevented from acting


Exactly how would lower cap. Magazines have helped mitigate the tragedy...


You spout talking points but have no substance behind it



We have already seen, alla Roof that increased background checks don't work

It was also seen with the VT shooter

Even if what you say is correct (and almost none of it is), you cannot address the real problem with gun laws:

Criminals don't obey them.

In fact, I'll wager you cannot name one single law of ANY kind that criminals obey.

Are you really so stupid that you think banning anything works? When you ban something then it becomes more available on the black market. Only honest people obey the Laws. People who think like you are the real problem that this country faces and nowhere close to the solutions. If you really want to help then push to have the Democrat Party banned from the country.

You're right things need to be done

Let's start with forcing the institutions to take security seriously, and not allow them to make it a visual show and nothing more. If that institution made the decision to prevent it's students from excersizing their right to self defense, it them tool on the obligation to provide proper securiry, a rent a cop with pepper spray making minimum wage isn't it.

Well, at least you are capable of admitting some degree of truth.



A determined attacker is only going to be thwarted by either 1) early intervention against the attacker himself before the plan is in action (i.e., catching him/her in the planning stages, like when this one was posting on forums about his plan); or, 2) by defensive measures by those on the scene with capabilities to stop or blunt the attack.

There were no CCW carriers present in the room. Those close by were ordered and restricted by the College administration from offering aid and assistance or engaging the shooter.

The VaTech shooting was done with 10 round magazines; lots of them, and could have just as easily been done with 7 or 8 round magazines.



You continue to concentrate on the weapons used, not the shooters themselves and you only concentrate on "mass shooters". The reason for that is because to actually concentrate on violent crimes will force you to admit that overall violent crimes are way, way down and that those that still exist are not the fault of the firearms used but of demographics and populations in society that you will not admit are a huge problem.



You're not convinced of anything because you're concentrating on the wrong problems and on the wrong issues within those problems. The "weight of evidence" does not support any of your agendas; it hasn't, and it won't.

BTW - I notice you've dropped the "ban on ARs and military-style weapons". That was the only play you had because those weren't an issue here and are almost never the issue in violent crime.

"Eric", honest people obey laws, for the most part. The exception might be tyrannical, unjust laws.

Criminals work outside the law, any that impede their enterprise. Please explain how any law will stop a criminal that by definition works outside the law.

Eric in your first post on this subject you stated,What we need is a ban on mags over 10 rounds, the AR-type rifle and its clones, a voluntary buy back on those in circulation, tightened licensing requirements, and increased mental health services.that voluntary buy back statement ,I have always noticed that anything the goverment says is voluntary ,they soon make mandatory ,then it will be confiscation ,..kind of like Conn. and N.Y have proved that

Eric

Cocaine is banned

Meth is outlawed

Heroine is illegal to possess


Those items no longer cause problems do they?

A man in a gun free zone with a TC ECORE Pistol could kill a lot of people if he is the only one armed.

Y'all just stand by a while and let Eric drag his carcass back in here to "defend" his positions.

I've dealt with those that fund him, so dealing with him won't be too difficult at all.

In New York, in 1990, a guy got upset, took a few dollars worth of gasoline, and burned down a crowded bar and killed 80+ people. Strict gun laws in NYC

China recently had a terrible string of stabbings at schools, multiple children dead and dozens more injured. No guns involved.

Charlie Hebdo attack - granted it was terrorism, but France has tough gun laws, yet the killers were able to get AK47's in France. Ditto the thwarted train attack.

In the modern world, when someone is consumed with hate, they can find a tool to commit mayhem.

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. That's a liberal for you.