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Eddie didn't have an excessive amount of trajectory on his fast pitch. 
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Speaking of Deer, you need to get the winter issue of "Big Bucks".
Oh my!!!!
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If you had to pick between either a .243 Winchester or .30-30 Winchester for your deer hunting this year which would you choose and why? .30-30. I've had better luck with bigger and slower than with littler and faster. I like the guns better. It's more suited to my preferred amount of timber and brush.
Anyone who thinks there's two sides to everything hasn't met a M�bius strip.
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If you had to pick between either a .243 Winchester or .30-30 Winchester for your deer hunting this year which would you choose and why? Why are these type questions always posed as an either/or decision??? Why not just get a rifle in both?! An iron sighted 30/30 lever action would be a good deer rifle for stalking or hunting in brushy areas where shots are closer. A scoped 243 bolt action would be a good deer rifle for stand or still hunting where you would have more time to plan the shots and shots could be longer range. Besides more rifles is a good thing! - RIGHT? PS: You wouldn't play golf with just one club in your bag!
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If you had to pick between either a .243 Winchester or .30-30 Winchester for your deer hunting this year which would you choose and why? Why are these type questions always posed as an either/or decision??? Why not just get a rifle in both?! An iron sighted 30/30 would be a good deer rifle for stalking or hunting in brushy areas where shots are closer. A scoped 243 would be a good deer rifle for stand or still hunting where you would have more time to plan the shots and shots could be longer range. Besides more rifles is a good thing! - RIGHT? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Good answer.
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Not much difference really to many.
To me a 243 will do everything a 30-30 will plus some. I've not made 500 plus yard kills with a 30-30 ever. Wouldn't try it probably either ever.
Go with what you want. If you want most versatile, 243.
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243 for both close and far, but i could hunt with 94 Win 30-30 the rest of my life and be happy
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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Either. Put a properly constructed bullet from almost any firearm through the lungs of a deer and you'll be eating venison. True, but the 243 will do it 'longer'. If you're satisfied with softball trajectory, the 30-30 is fine. Jerry I'm comfortable to 250 easy with the .30-30. Have killed with it at 200-250 many times and past 300 once. All were one shot kills and none went far after the shot. The one at 314 was a pass through that took the top of the heart. It only went 30 yards before it fell. Of course you do need to know how to shoot. Scoped bolt rifles chambered for flatter shooting cartridges are good crutches/ training wheels for those who can't at those ranges. BTW I did choose between a .30-30 lever and bolt .243 on opening day this past season. Took the .30-30 as I often do and killed a good 8 point an hour and a half into the season. One shot from 65 yards, bang-flop.
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Scoped bolt rifles chambered for flatter shooting cartridges are good crutches/ training wheels for those who can't at those ranges. Right, right. 
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Scoped bolt rifles chambered for flatter shooting cartridges are good crutches/ training wheels for those who can't at those ranges. Right, right. The .30-30 WILL get the job done at those ranges consistently in competent hands. Absolute truth. No doubt it is easier with a scoped bolt chambered in a flatter shooting cartridge for those less competent.
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Local paper ran a picture the other day of a 7 year old boy with the two deer he killed with one shot. Broke the deer's neck, passed through and head-shot the one behind it that he hadn't even seen. Used a Rossi single-shot in .243, and sat patiently for a half hour while his deer walked within 100 yards of his stand.
Just shows how little you really need if you know what you're doing (and your Daddy is sitting there with a hand on your shoulder). Happy kid, proud Dad, adequate rifle.
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Scoped bolt rifles chambered for flatter shooting cartridges are good crutches/ training wheels for those who can't at those ranges. Right, right. The .30-30 WILL get the job done at those ranges consistently in competent hands. Absolute truth. No doubt it is easier with a scoped bolt chambered in a flatter shooting cartridge for those less competent. Yawn. I'm sure you're awesome.
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curious that he wastes his valuable time hanging out on a forum with such inferior folks
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Between the two, give me a 243 bolt gun. Thankfully, there are other, and I think better choices. YMMV
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243 cause it's more versatile.
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Either. Put a properly constructed bullet from almost any firearm through the lungs of a deer and you'll be eating venison. True, but the 243 will do it 'longer'. If you're satisfied with softball trajectory, the 30-30 is fine. Jerry I'm comfortable to 250 easy with the .30-30. Have killed with it at 200-250 many times and past 300 once. All were one shot kills and none went far after the shot. The one at 314 was a pass through that took the top of the heart. It only went 30 yards before it fell. Of course you do need to know how to shoot. Scoped bolt rifles chambered for flatter shooting cartridges are good crutches/ training wheels for those who can't at those ranges. BTW I did choose between a .30-30 lever and bolt .243 on opening day this past season. Took the .30-30 as I often do and killed a good 8 point an hour and a half into the season. One shot from 65 yards, bang-flop. Yes, but the 7.62x39mm is just as good.
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The only time I find a lever gun much handier than a bolt rifle is if its unscoped and bolt rifle isn't. In that case the lever carries better, for me. Since I hunt area's where shots are more often than not a few hundred yards or more, I rarely restrict myself to iron sights, so taking a bolt gun just makes more sense. Not that the 30-30 won't kill just fine in most situations, but so will the .243, and I really don't see where it gives up anything to the 30-30... 243 for me.
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The only time I find a lever gun much handier than a bolt rifle is if its unscoped and bolt rifle isn't. In that case the lever carries better, for me. Since I hunt area's where shots are more often than not a few hundred yards or more, I rarely restrict myself to iron sights, so taking a bolt gun just makes more sense. Not that the 30-30 won't kill just fine in most situations, but so will the .243, and I really don't see where it gives up anything to the 30-30... 243 for me. And that has hit on the point of the thread. Does the .243 give up anything to the .30-30? I don't think it does either.
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The only time I find a lever gun much handier than a bolt rifle is if its unscoped and bolt rifle isn't. In that case the lever carries better, for me. Since I hunt area's where shots are more often than not a few hundred yards or more, I rarely restrict myself to iron sights, so taking a bolt gun just makes more sense. Not that the 30-30 won't kill just fine in most situations, but so will the .243, and I really don't see where it gives up anything to the 30-30... 243 for me. And that has hit on the point of the thread. Does the .243 give up anything to the .30-30? I don't think it does either. Except that I've consistently gotten better penetration, more consistent exit wounds and better, more consistent blood trails out of the .30-30. If that isn't important to you then not much difference. At least when conventional cup and core bullets are being used in each. I've never tried Barnes so can't comment as to whether that might even things out between them or not.
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