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So no vote for Rubio at all, meaning you're ok with the whole SCOTUS issue? got it. Apparently, stupid's bone deep...


It looks like that's what he's saying jorge. We just have to pray there aren't too many voters that dim.

Trump sure isn't my first choice. He's said so many things that are offensive to me during his life. But of course I would vote for him over Hilary instead of sitting on my hands and pouting.

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Just a thought. Saying that you will not vote for "so and so" because it is against your principles, does not mean that you actually have principles. miles


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So no vote for Rubio at all, meaning you're ok with the whole SCOTUS issue? got it. Apparently, stupid's bone deep...


It looks like that's what he's saying jorge. We just have to pray there aren't too many voters that dim.

Trump sure isn't my first choice. He's said so many things that are offensive to me during his life. But of course I would vote for him over Hilary instead of sitting on my hands and pouting.


Oh, but there are. The last election proved that. BTW, just found out that Cruz is a Baptist. A Cuban Baptist? sounds fishy.. Might have to rethink...


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Oh, but there are. The last election proved that. BTW, just found out that Cruz is a Baptist. A Cuban Baptist? sounds fishy.. Might have to rethink...


That's because you're not a Cuban.

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The first Cuban Baptists were patriots who were exiled to the United States during the Ten Years' War (1868–1878). Some became Baptists while in the U. S., and later returned to Cuba. Exile Albert Díaz joined a church in New York City. He returned to Cuba in 1882, and organized an independent congregation at Havana in 1883. In 1885, he was ordained as a Baptist minister, and, in 1886, he led his church to become Baptist. Southern Baptists sent C. R. Daniel to oversee the work in 1901, and he was instrumental in organizing the Baptist Convention of Western Cuba in 1905.

Other Baptist organizations in Cuba are the Baptist Convention of Eastern Cuba or Convención Bautista de Cuba Oriental (org. 1905), the Free Will Baptist Convention of Cuba or Convención Bautista Libre de Cuba (org. 1943), and the Fraternity of Baptist Churches of Cuba or Fraternidad de Iglesias Bautistas de Cuba (org. 1989).

The Fraternity of Baptist Churches was started in 1989 by three churches expelled from the BCWC because of views related to politics, open communion and open baptism. A recent reconciliation between the Fraternity of Baptist Churches in Cuba and the Baptist Convention of Western Cuba led to the "Fraternity" becoming a member of the Baptist World Alliance, of which the Western Convention was already a member. Baptists in Cuba form one of the largest non-Catholic denominations on the island. Churches in Cuba are free to hold meetings in their church buildings or in homes, but not in public places.


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Oh, but there are. The last election proved that. BTW, just found out that Cruz is a Baptist. A Cuban Baptist? sounds fishy.. Might have to rethink...


That's because you're not a Cuban.

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The first Cuban Baptists were patriots who were exiled to the United States during the Ten Years' War (1868–1878). Some became Baptists while in the U. S., and later returned to Cuba. Exile Albert Díaz joined a church in New York City. He returned to Cuba in 1882, and organized an independent congregation at Havana in 1883. In 1885, he was ordained as a Baptist minister, and, in 1886, he led his church to become Baptist. Southern Baptists sent C. R. Daniel to oversee the work in 1901, and he was instrumental in organizing the Baptist Convention of Western Cuba in 1905.

Other Baptist organizations in Cuba are the Baptist Convention of Eastern Cuba or Convención Bautista de Cuba Oriental (org. 1905), the Free Will Baptist Convention of Cuba or Convención Bautista Libre de Cuba (org. 1943), and the Fraternity of Baptist Churches of Cuba or Fraternidad de Iglesias Bautistas de Cuba (org. 1989).

The Fraternity of Baptist Churches was started in 1989 by three churches expelled from the BCWC because of views related to politics, open communion and open baptism. A recent reconciliation between the Fraternity of Baptist Churches in Cuba and the Baptist Convention of Western Cuba led to the "Fraternity" becoming a member of the Baptist World Alliance, of which the Western Convention was already a member. Baptists in Cuba form one of the largest non-Catholic denominations on the island. Churches in Cuba are free to hold meetings in their church buildings or in homes, but not in public places.


*I* am not a Cuban???? that will be news to the white sheets crowd here. As to the Baptists, I truly never heard or met one. There were even Cuban Jews I'm told, but probably in the 95 plus percentile, Roman Catholics..


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Technically, I don't think Cubans are people.




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Interesting premise going around here that if you won't vote for a sleazy Republican, you are in affect supporting Democrats. Then there's the notion that a POS Republican will protect our gun and other rights with SC nominations. So, again, if you don't vote for whomever the GOP nomination is you are by extension supporting Hillary or Bernie Sanders.


Got me thinking,.....



Are those who voted and supported Bush actually responsible for giving us Obama for 8 years because Bush was such a lousy GOP president? Would we have Sotomayor and Kagan on on the Supreme Court today if conservatives had stuck to their principles and refused to support Bush?


Forward to today. If we put someone in like Cruz or Rubio, will their sleaziness lead us to an even more extreme liberal being president in 4 or 8 years from today? Will we blame Cruz or Rubio voters for giving us the first liberal transgender Syrian on the SC?







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I'm sorry, but that makes no sense. It is a FACT that a "no vote", particularly in a tight race, helps the opposite side one is protesting. Bush is also not a fair comparison in my opinion because of the 9/11 factor. Cruz and Rubio are on the record as being Conservative, especially Cruz (and that's not just me saying that).
They are FAR, FAR from ideal candidates for me, but the way I look at it, at least there is a CHANCE they will do the right thing, whilst a NO or protest vote for a Kook-Fringe candidate, assures a democrat will win.Lastly, just because Trump (a modicum of class??? really??) says they are sleazy doesn't make it so.


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"Are those who voted and supported Bush actually responsible for giving us Obama for 8 years because Bush was such a lousy GOP president? Would we have Sotomayor and Kagan on on the Supreme Court today if conservatives had stuck to their principles and refused to support Bush?

Forward to today. If we put someone in like Cruz or Rubio, will their sleaziness lead us to an even more extreme liberal being president in 4 or 8 years from today? Will we blame Cruz or Rubio voters for giving us the first liberal transgender Syrian on the SC?

That 'cause and effect' theory sure can get a man thinking."

I guess we would have been better off by now if Algore had won in 2000, or John-boy Kerry in '04? Come on, people.


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People just want an out and an excuse
"I didn't vote for either they both sucked"
Those are the people who should shut their pie hole and discuss no politics, since they don't partake in the process,like infants they prefer to let the responsible adults make their choices


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Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
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I guess we would have been better off by now if Algore had won in 2000, or John-boy Kerry in '04? Come on, people.




If we had Kerry, would we have had Romney instead of Obama? I would have taken that trade. Would you?

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And if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle
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And if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle
All moot and conjecture



I see it different.



Voting for a bad candidate can sometimes do more harm than good. Perhaps some will argue that but I have little doubt that if Bush hadn't been such a lousy president, we never would have seen Obama in office.


And yes I voted for Bush 2 so I'm just as complicit as anyone else.

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Originally Posted by rrroae
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I guess we would have been better off by now if Algore had won in 2000, or John-boy Kerry in '04? Come on, people.




If we had Kerry, would we have had Romney instead of Obama? I would have taken that trade. Would you?


You don't know that we wouldn't have had 8 years of Gore, then 8 years of Hillary. Just vote for the most conservative option you have and don't out-think yourself. Do you think the Dem's let Bush win so that it would set the stage for Obama? No, they fought it all the way to the Supreme Court. As Al Davis said, "Just win, baby!"


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I guess we would have been better off by now if Algore had won in 2000, or John-boy Kerry in '04? Come on, people.




If we had Kerry, would we have had Romney instead of Obama? I would have taken that trade. Would you?


You don't know that we wouldn't have had 8 years of Gore, then 8 years of Hillary. Just vote for the most conservative option you have and don't out-think yourself. Do you think the Dem's let Bush win so that it would set the stage for Obama? No, they fought it all the way to the Supreme Court. As Al Davis said, "Just win, baby!"




After 8 years of Bush followed by 8 years of Obama, I'm in a middle finger kind of mood.



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Originally Posted by rrroae
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And if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle
All moot and conjecture



I see it different.



Voting for a bad candidate can sometimes do more harm than good. Perhaps some will argue that but I have little doubt that if Bush hadn't been such a lousy president, we never would have seen Obama in office.


And yes I voted for Bush 2 so I'm just as complicit as anyone else.


A couple of points:
I don't think he was such a bad president. He was handed a schit sandwich with 9/11, and along with the likes of RP, did try and stop the mortgage train wreck which most agree, was the catalyst for the crash.

The media set out to vilify him from day one, and it's a pretty sure bet that as "bad" as you say GWB , Gore would have been better? The rest is pure conjecture. What remains a FACT, is a no or "protest" vote for a kook-candidate, helps the other side..


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In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.


Virginia is a battleground state. There will be an R nominee opposing Hitlery or Sanders. Choose wisely.


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Originally Posted by jorgeI

A couple of points:
I don't think he was such a bad president. He was handed a schit sandwich with 9/11, and along with the likes of RP, did try and stop the mortgage train wreck which most agree, was the catalyst for the crash.

The media set out to vilify him from day one, and it's a pretty sure bet that as "bad" as you say GWB , Gore would have been better? The rest is pure conjecture. What remains a FACT, is a no or "protest" vote for a kook-candidate, helps the other side..



A president who doubles our national debt, pushes for amnesty for illegals(twice), attacks the wrong country and then proceeds to spend hundreds of billions to rebuild for them(instead of taking their oil) and tries to sell our ports to terrorist middle east countries is not someone I hold any admiration for. He's about 2 pegs below Obama on the schitt chart.

Like I said, I'm holding out for something better.

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