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Right? Even I don't believe that with Carson and Rubio splitting conservatives and Trumps proselytes.
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Has SEATSNIFFER EVER been right about politics? He's even turning on Failin'Palin at this point, which is just hilarious.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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1. Cruz
2. Trump
3. Rubio
Just like Iowa. 1. Cruz 2. Trump 3. Bush Because of all the military folks.
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“In Trump We Trust.” Right????
SOMEBODY please tell TRH that Netanyahu NEVER said "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
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Cruz may win, but I don't think any doors are getting blown off while Carson and Rubio are still in.
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1. Cruz
2. Trump
3. Bush
Because of all the military folks. Might be right. I was actually going to say Bush 3rd but it was a toss up imo between the two. But I was stationed in Charleston for a while and you're right, there is a military presence. Because of that, I bet Bush and Rubio tear each other's heads off like Rubio and Christie did in NH. And if Cruz is smart, he'll just stick to the message and stay out of fights.
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Cruz may win, but I don't think any doors are getting blown off while Carson and Rubio are still in. The more people get out, the more anyone-but-Trump votes will go to Cruz. It can't happen soon enough.
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So that I understand the rational behind your bizarre thought processes, are you suggesting another candidate like Paul or Gingrich would have won the states Obama didn't win in 2008 or 2012?
The tell me what blue or purple states you think Cruz could win in 2016.
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Me either. My gut instinct is that Trump is running third party...as a Republican. That's great for the nomination, but terrible for the general election. Trump's people are so invested in him personally that they won't acknowledge that trying to beat a Democrat with a liberal Republican is never a good idea. A Liberal Republican (don't agree but not going to argue that now) looks pretty good to the electorate against a Liberal Socialist. The R in that general election sweeps the south, and picks up so many more votes in the north and north east from those who are not ready to leap off the cliff of socialism yet. The polls don't look good for R's in a Bernie/Trump match up now, but when voters are in that booth...I don't think socialism wins. I am admittedly biased against socialism though. Trump is definitely running third party as a Republican. Once again the R establishment stepped on their own d1ck by allowing him in and now can't control the situation.
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Me either. My gut instinct is that Trump is running third party...as a Republican. That's great for the nomination, but terrible for the general election. Trump's people are so invested in him personally that they won't acknowledge that trying to beat a Democrat with a liberal Republican is never a good idea. A Liberal Republican (don't agree but not going to argue that now) looks pretty good to the electorate against a Liberal Socialist. The R in that general election sweeps the south, and picks up so many more votes in the north and north east from those who are not ready to leap off the cliff of socialism yet. The polls don't look good for R's in a Bernie/Trump match up now, but when voters are in that booth...I don't think socialism wins. I am admittedly biased against socialism though. It doesn't matter. A little less liberal is still going to kill us.
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So that I understand the rational behind your bizarre thought processes, are you suggesting another candidate like Paul or Gingrich would have won the states Obama didn't win in 2008 or 2012?
The tell me what blue or purple states you think Cruz could win in 2016. Yes, and my crystal ball is in hock.
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Me either. My gut instinct is that Trump is running third party...as a Republican. That's great for the nomination, but terrible for the general election. Trump's people are so invested in him personally that they won't acknowledge that trying to beat a Democrat with a liberal Republican is never a good idea. A Liberal Republican (don't agree but not going to argue that now) looks pretty good to the electorate against a Liberal Socialist. The R in that general election sweeps the south, and picks up so many more votes in the north and north east from those who are not ready to leap off the cliff of socialism yet. The polls don't look good for R's in a Bernie/Trump match up now, but when voters are in that booth...I don't think socialism wins. I am admittedly biased against socialism though. It doesn't matter. A little less liberal is still going to kill us. I've yet to see a baby begin by running. Baby steps in the right direction again is still going in the right direction. We all want it to turn tomorrow, but it's not going to happen. We need to have a little less liberal running it to show that a little less liberal can make a difference. Then the next time around it's even a little more less liberal.
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It doesn't matter. A little less liberal is still going to kill us.
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Actually, a GOPe nominee is what will save the Dems, again.
This nation has made that clear as well as who they actually believe is the non-establishment candidate.
You decide whether it will be Trump or Rubio.
The Dems have figured out it's likely going to be Trump and that is why the Dems are now allocating extraordinary amounts of money towards the Trump/Clinton battle.
Once again, the Dems beat the GOP to the punch.
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What does hard conservatism really gain us? Please explain how in today's political climate a hard right winger gets any traction, once elected?
Gay marriage rights
abortion
education system
welfare/entitlements
etc.
How does a conservative actually move the needle on those issues in the here and now? I just don't see it, even though I am a conservative my practical side doesn't see any real conservative actions happening in congress. All a conservative can do is stall, not make headway, imo.
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What does hard conservatism really gain us? Please explain how in today's political climate a hard right winger gets any traction, once elected?
Gay rights
abortion
education system
welfare/entitlements
etc.
How does a conservative actually move the needle on those issues in the here and now? I just don't see it, even though I am a conservative my practical side doesn't see any real conservative actions happening in congress. All a conservative can do is stall, not make headway, imo. If you were a conservative, you would know that conservatism is about FREEDOM. It's not about any of the things you mentioned other than people should not be forced into participating, or contributing, to any of them.
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Me either. My gut instinct is that Trump is running third party...as a Republican. That's great for the nomination, but terrible for the general election. Trump's people are so invested in him personally that they won't acknowledge that trying to beat a Democrat with a liberal Republican is never a good idea. A Liberal Republican (don't agree but not going to argue that now) looks pretty good to the electorate against a Liberal Socialist. The R in that general election sweeps the south, and picks up so many more votes in the north and north east from those who are not ready to leap off the cliff of socialism yet. The polls don't look good for R's in a Bernie/Trump match up now, but when voters are in that booth...I don't think socialism wins. I am admittedly biased against socialism though. It doesn't matter. A little less liberal is still going to kill us. I've yet to see a baby begin by running. Baby steps in the right direction again is still going in the right direction. We all want it to turn tomorrow, but it's not going to happen. We need to have a little less liberal running it to show that a little less liberal can make a difference. Then the next time around it's even a little more less liberal. Not in context. Less than conservative (legitimate) SCOTUS appointments will be the end.
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I'm showing you that there is no turning the clock back, even if we'd all like to have that as an option. It's not an option.
Technically gay marriage rights and abortion are more freedom, but we know not conservative.
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Me either. My gut instinct is that Trump is running third party...as a Republican. That's great for the nomination, but terrible for the general election. Trump's people are so invested in him personally that they won't acknowledge that trying to beat a Democrat with a liberal Republican is never a good idea. A Liberal Republican (don't agree but not going to argue that now) looks pretty good to the electorate against a Liberal Socialist. The R in that general election sweeps the south, and picks up so many more votes in the north and north east from those who are not ready to leap off the cliff of socialism yet. The polls don't look good for R's in a Bernie/Trump match up now, but when voters are in that booth...I don't think socialism wins. I am admittedly biased against socialism though. It doesn't matter. A little less liberal is still going to kill us. I've yet to see a baby begin by running. Baby steps in the right direction again is still going in the right direction. We all want it to turn tomorrow, but it's not going to happen. We need to have a little less liberal running it to show that a little less liberal can make a difference. Then the next time around it's even a little more less liberal. Not in context. Less than conservative (legitimate) SCOTUS appointments will be the end. And the choice is whomever the R candidate is and whomever the D candidate is. Hard core 'conservatives' (those 2 million that must be hiding in the Catskills) can sit at home on their morals and let Hilary pick the next one.
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All I want is LESS government/less/regulations. Let the Feds deal with National defense/foreign affairs and stay out of all the other crap.
And obviously adherence to the Constitution.
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Well, Christie just dropped out
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I didn't realize freedom was a moral issue now, but in that case...they will.
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