On the Commie ticket, I think Hillary is finished so that leaves the Bern unless Blomberg or Shotgun Joe step in.
I have no idea who'll win on the Republican side. Seems like now it will be Trump vs. the rest. I'd think Cruz would have the best shot if it's not Trump.
Hillary is not finished. New Hampshire always votes for the most liberal candidates from both parties. My bet would be Trump at this point, as the conservative vote is still split between Cruz, Rubio and Carson.
I think Hildabitch wins on the commie side. She is right about the blacks voting for her. Don't think there are quite enough Yankee transplants at this point to put Bern over the top.
I suspect Trump will win on the GOP side unless he really flubs up the debate or shoots someone between now and then.
Hitlery will do everything she can to rally the black vote. It's her only chance at this point. If she doesn't win decisively in SC, her campaign is going to falter very badly and may be done.
On the R side, several need to drop out. There are too many in the race at this point to get a true polling. At least after SC, unless a candidate pulls a Kasich and surprisingly does well, many of the remaining Rs will fall away.
Super Tuesday is where it starts really shaking out, and it will be here very soon.
I was watching the news this morning (Fox) where a waitress (female AND Blue Collar) was asked and she voted for Trump. That one sample speaks volumes and I don't think he can be beat. My only hope he doesn't turn out to be the Trojan Horse I still think he is, but I will still vote for him, for unlike some here, it is the logical and not emotional thing to do.
As for the democrats, Hillary will still get to the top, unless the FBI component kicks in..
I think Cruz will do better than expected in S.C. The Bush folks are trying to pee on the post and claim S.C. as theirs but that is not likely. I think it is a Trump/Cruz race throughout most of the South.
What southern primary state, other than Texas do you see Cruz winning?
It depends upon who else and how many are still in the GOP race. If it comes down to Trump v. Cruz, that could get interesting quickly. With all the rest of the ankle-biters in there, it's just a damned mess.
SC may not be such a sure thing for Hitlery as it once was. I looked at a graph of the polls and she is trending down and has been for months. Bernie is on the upswing and will likely continue in that direction with his NH win.
Granted, right now it's about 30% for Bern and 60% for Hil, but that could tighten considerably in the coming days.
I remember in the not so distant past when dem primary voters started fleeing Hil like rats on a sinking ship.
I hope Hilary wins and gets the nomination. We can only imagine how many more scandals will come about before Nov. She had destroyed herself and the FBI with others are telling the story. The liberals will still vote for her but her record will really hurt her in purple states.
Trump takes it until most of the rest drop out. I see a brokered convention on the way. That's the only reason some of the others stay in.
A full blown revolt against Washington is fine except for one thing...President "Crazy" Bernie Sanders.
A person has to wonder about the crowds the guy gets. You wonder what people think or what they see in Sanders. Ill give you hes consistant. You just cant point to anyplace on the globe where the commie stuff has ever worked. EVER. Yet the crowds are large. Im Ascared of Bernie.
Cruz' team has a ground game and voter identification system associated with it that are impressive. He targets his voters by credit card purchase info and data mining, and pushes hard. If Trump can still edge him out in SC, it's going to be a long row to hoe for anyone to beat Trump after that.
The other thing about the race as it stands, is the "also rans" do have enough support to keep pushing for another couple of states, which hurts Cruz much more than Trump. The "also rans" also can't beat up the other "also rans" fast enough, and don't challenge the front runner Trump, which is a game plan that I just don't understand. It's like they're in a death match for 3rd place, and what they can gain by that is still unclear to me.
Me either. My gut instinct is that Trump is running third party...as a Republican. That's great for the nomination, but terrible for the general election. Trump's people are so invested in him personally that they won't acknowledge that trying to beat a Democrat with a liberal Republican is never a good idea.
Cruz' team has a ground game and voter identification system associated with it that are impressive. He targets his voters by credit card purchase info and data mining, and pushes hard.
Yes, Mr. Conservative is data mining. So much for privacy.
Cruz is going to blow the doors off in South Carolina just like Newt did 4 years ago. And pick up a lot more delegates (50 winner take all) than Iowa and NH.
Unlike Newt, Cruz has a national campaign going that nobody can match.
Cruz' team has a ground game and voter identification system associated with it that are impressive. He targets his voters by credit card purchase info and data mining, and pushes hard.
Yes, Mr. Conservative is data mining. So much for privacy.
A full blown revolt against Washington is fine except for one thing...President "Crazy" Bernie Sanders.
A person has to wonder about the crowds the guy gets. You wonder what people think or what they see in Sanders. Ill give you hes consistant. You just cant point to anyplace on the globe where the commie stuff has ever worked. EVER. Yet the crowds are large. Im Ascared of Bernie.
dave
A cousin[of my wife] is ALL IN FOR BERNIE. She was always a liberal nut job and one of those 'professional students' which equals massive student loan debt. With a degree in social services from Appy State she worked a couple of years and then quit work to get her masters, worked another year and decided law school would suit her better so she went to Georgetown and then somewhere in London to finish. $200K+ in debt and the Bern comes along, perfect!
Cruz is going to blow the doors off in South Carolina just like Newt did 4 years ago. And pick up a lot more delegates (50 winner take all) than Iowa and NH.
Unlike Newt, Cruz has a national campaign going that nobody can match.
Cruz is going to blow the doors off in South Carolina just like Newt did 4 years ago. And pick up a lot more delegates (50 winner take all) than Iowa and NH.
Unlike Newt, Cruz has a national campaign going that nobody can match.
Trump's people are so invested in him personally that they won't acknowledge that trying to beat a Democrat with a liberal Republican is never a good idea.
It's never worked. Why vote Democrat lite when you can have full flavor.
Might be right. I was actually going to say Bush 3rd but it was a toss up imo between the two. But I was stationed in Charleston for a while and you're right, there is a military presence. Because of that, I bet Bush and Rubio tear each other's heads off like Rubio and Christie did in NH. And if Cruz is smart, he'll just stick to the message and stay out of fights.
So that I understand the rational behind your bizarre thought processes, are you suggesting another candidate like Paul or Gingrich would have won the states Obama didn't win in 2008 or 2012?
The tell me what blue or purple states you think Cruz could win in 2016.
Me either. My gut instinct is that Trump is running third party...as a Republican. That's great for the nomination, but terrible for the general election. Trump's people are so invested in him personally that they won't acknowledge that trying to beat a Democrat with a liberal Republican is never a good idea.
A Liberal Republican (don't agree but not going to argue that now) looks pretty good to the electorate against a Liberal Socialist. The R in that general election sweeps the south, and picks up so many more votes in the north and north east from those who are not ready to leap off the cliff of socialism yet.
The polls don't look good for R's in a Bernie/Trump match up now, but when voters are in that booth...I don't think socialism wins. I am admittedly biased against socialism though.
Trump is definitely running third party as a Republican. Once again the R establishment stepped on their own d1ck by allowing him in and now can't control the situation.
Me either. My gut instinct is that Trump is running third party...as a Republican. That's great for the nomination, but terrible for the general election. Trump's people are so invested in him personally that they won't acknowledge that trying to beat a Democrat with a liberal Republican is never a good idea.
A Liberal Republican (don't agree but not going to argue that now) looks pretty good to the electorate against a Liberal Socialist. The R in that general election sweeps the south, and picks up so many more votes in the north and north east from those who are not ready to leap off the cliff of socialism yet.
The polls don't look good for R's in a Bernie/Trump match up now, but when voters are in that booth...I don't think socialism wins. I am admittedly biased against socialism though.
It doesn't matter. A little less liberal is still going to kill us.
So that I understand the rational behind your bizarre thought processes, are you suggesting another candidate like Paul or Gingrich would have won the states Obama didn't win in 2008 or 2012?
The tell me what blue or purple states you think Cruz could win in 2016.
Me either. My gut instinct is that Trump is running third party...as a Republican. That's great for the nomination, but terrible for the general election. Trump's people are so invested in him personally that they won't acknowledge that trying to beat a Democrat with a liberal Republican is never a good idea.
A Liberal Republican (don't agree but not going to argue that now) looks pretty good to the electorate against a Liberal Socialist. The R in that general election sweeps the south, and picks up so many more votes in the north and north east from those who are not ready to leap off the cliff of socialism yet.
The polls don't look good for R's in a Bernie/Trump match up now, but when voters are in that booth...I don't think socialism wins. I am admittedly biased against socialism though.
It doesn't matter. A little less liberal is still going to kill us.
I've yet to see a baby begin by running. Baby steps in the right direction again is still going in the right direction. We all want it to turn tomorrow, but it's not going to happen. We need to have a little less liberal running it to show that a little less liberal can make a difference. Then the next time around it's even a little more less liberal.
It doesn't matter. A little less liberal is still going to kill us. =======
Actually, a GOPe nominee is what will save the Dems, again.
This nation has made that clear as well as who they actually believe is the non-establishment candidate.
You decide whether it will be Trump or Rubio.
The Dems have figured out it's likely going to be Trump and that is why the Dems are now allocating extraordinary amounts of money towards the Trump/Clinton battle.
What does hard conservatism really gain us? Please explain how in today's political climate a hard right winger gets any traction, once elected?
Gay marriage rights abortion education system welfare/entitlements etc.
How does a conservative actually move the needle on those issues in the here and now? I just don't see it, even though I am a conservative my practical side doesn't see any real conservative actions happening in congress. All a conservative can do is stall, not make headway, imo.
What does hard conservatism really gain us? Please explain how in today's political climate a hard right winger gets any traction, once elected?
Gay rights abortion education system welfare/entitlements etc.
How does a conservative actually move the needle on those issues in the here and now? I just don't see it, even though I am a conservative my practical side doesn't see any real conservative actions happening in congress. All a conservative can do is stall, not make headway, imo.
If you were a conservative, you would know that conservatism is about FREEDOM. It's not about any of the things you mentioned other than people should not be forced into participating, or contributing, to any of them.
Me either. My gut instinct is that Trump is running third party...as a Republican. That's great for the nomination, but terrible for the general election. Trump's people are so invested in him personally that they won't acknowledge that trying to beat a Democrat with a liberal Republican is never a good idea.
A Liberal Republican (don't agree but not going to argue that now) looks pretty good to the electorate against a Liberal Socialist. The R in that general election sweeps the south, and picks up so many more votes in the north and north east from those who are not ready to leap off the cliff of socialism yet.
The polls don't look good for R's in a Bernie/Trump match up now, but when voters are in that booth...I don't think socialism wins. I am admittedly biased against socialism though.
It doesn't matter. A little less liberal is still going to kill us.
I've yet to see a baby begin by running. Baby steps in the right direction again is still going in the right direction. We all want it to turn tomorrow, but it's not going to happen. We need to have a little less liberal running it to show that a little less liberal can make a difference. Then the next time around it's even a little more less liberal.
Not in context. Less than conservative (legitimate) SCOTUS appointments will be the end.
Me either. My gut instinct is that Trump is running third party...as a Republican. That's great for the nomination, but terrible for the general election. Trump's people are so invested in him personally that they won't acknowledge that trying to beat a Democrat with a liberal Republican is never a good idea.
A Liberal Republican (don't agree but not going to argue that now) looks pretty good to the electorate against a Liberal Socialist. The R in that general election sweeps the south, and picks up so many more votes in the north and north east from those who are not ready to leap off the cliff of socialism yet.
The polls don't look good for R's in a Bernie/Trump match up now, but when voters are in that booth...I don't think socialism wins. I am admittedly biased against socialism though.
It doesn't matter. A little less liberal is still going to kill us.
I've yet to see a baby begin by running. Baby steps in the right direction again is still going in the right direction. We all want it to turn tomorrow, but it's not going to happen. We need to have a little less liberal running it to show that a little less liberal can make a difference. Then the next time around it's even a little more less liberal.
Not in context. Less than conservative (legitimate) SCOTUS appointments will be the end.
And the choice is whomever the R candidate is and whomever the D candidate is. Hard core 'conservatives' (those 2 million that must be hiding in the Catskills) can sit at home on their morals and let Hilary pick the next one.
What does hard conservatism really gain us? Please explain how in today's political climate a hard right winger gets any traction, once elected?
Gay rights abortion education system welfare/entitlements etc.
How does a conservative actually move the needle on those issues in the here and now? I just don't see it, even though I am a conservative my practical side doesn't see any real conservative actions happening in congress. All a conservative can do is stall, not make headway, imo.
+1 They sound like paultards. And there even less effective... dave
No worries, just trying to do the right thing for the future. Unlike some, I really DO want to make America Great Again, instead of inflicting petty revenge on some politicians.
So your point is that voters in the south are actually the stupid ones, since they voted for a less than conservative candidate?
That the conservatives that sat it out in NY, MI, WI, MN, CA, NJ, ME, RI, OH, PA, OR, WA, CT etc are actually the ULTRA conservative wing of the Republican party, since they chose to not vote for the little less liberal candidate.
That's what you are selling Pat?
Who know, that the ENLIGHTENED, ULTRA CONSERVATIVE Republican's have been hiding out in NY, CA, MI, MN, CA etc etc.
I know how I'm voting. Anybody undecided? My vote may count for the first time ever.
I'm still watching and listening, but I'm pretty solid on Cruz...by the time we have our primary the herd should be thinned out considerably & as hard as it is for me to admit, there's a very real possibility that Cruz will no longer be in the race...
So your point is that voters in the south are actually the stupid ones, since they voted for a less than conservative candidate?
That the conservatives that sat it out in NY, MI, WI, MN, CA, NJ, ME, RI, OH, PA, OR, WA, CT etc are actually the ULTRA conservative wing of the Republican party, since they chose to not vote for the little less liberal candidate.
I know how I'm voting. Anybody undecided? My vote may count for the first time ever.
I'm still watching and listening, but I'm pretty solid on Cruz...by the time we have our primary the herd should be thinned out considerably & as hard as it is for me to admit, there's a very real possibility that Cruz will no longer be in the race...
We'll be able to vote on Super Tuesday this time. In the past, there was never anybody worth voting for left that could win. It may not make a difference, but we'll see.
So the ULTA CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS in 2012 were those in NY, CA, MN, WI, RI, NJ etc etc, since they KNEW to not vote for a little less liberal Romney.
The problem in 2012 is all the moderate Republicans in TEXAS, LA, AL, GA, MT etc that voted for Romney.
In short, the only way forward is for there to be an ULTRA Conservative that can pull out those millions of left coast and Yankee conservatives that have been staying at home.
I'll vote in April and Cruz will be on the ballot but Trump will waltz in NY
Why will Trump waltz in NY? Pat already told me that Republicans WANT a conservative and that conservative is Cruz. Since there are millions of conservatives hiding out in the Catskills, wouldn't the MORE conservative win in NY?
I'm still watching and listening, but I'm pretty solid on Cruz...by the time we have our primary the herd should be thinned out considerably & as hard as it is for me to admit, there's a very real possibility that Cruz will no longer be in the race...
IMO, just the opposite, the more people drop out, the more non-Trump votes will go to Cruz. If it were a 3 way race right now, Trump wouldn't be in the lead at all.
I'll vote in April and Cruz will be on the ballot but Trump will waltz in NY
Why will Trump waltz in NY? Pat already told me that Republicans WANT a conservative and that conservative is Cruz. Since there are millions of conservatives hiding out in the Catskills, wouldn't the MORE conservative win in NY?
This is so confusing.
Thats the rational thought but it's still NY and Trump is a NY guy, people are drinking his kool aid , I'm still not buying what he's trying to sell Actually I am I just don't believe he's really selling it
Texas didn't vote in a primary until May 29th. Who do you think was left to vote for?
Texas gets to go March 1st this time...
Hey guys, I heard something about Texas NOT being winner take all because they moved up their primary. Is that true? And if so, could that be a curse?
Yes. it is proportional........... BY DISTRICT. Win a majority in a district and you get all of THAT Districts delegates.
If no one wins a majority [50 % +1 for the public school educated among us], then those candidates with at least 20% of the vote in that District share the delegates.
Cruz would do better with winner take all, but it might come too late to help him.
He should win at least 100 of the 155 awarded in Texas.
There is not enough time after the convention to run third party, imo. If R's do pull that move, it will be the lowest R turnout in a general election on record. No support for years afterword either. To save face the R's will have to choose Trump, if it is a Cruz/Trump split.
That is the sad fate of Cruz, he's being played against with a stacked deck, and only a convincing outright win will get him the nod. I personally don't think he can get that.
Texas didn't vote in a primary until May 29th. Who do you think was left to vote for?
Texas gets to go March 1st this time...
Hey guys, I heard something about Texas NOT being winner take all because they moved up their primary. Is that true? And if so, could that be a curse?
Yes. it is proportional........... BY DISTRICT. Win a majority in a district and you get all of THAT Districts delegates.
If no one wins a majority [50 % +1 for the public school educated among us], then those candidates with at least 20% of the vote in that District share the delegates.
Cruz would do better with winner take all, but it might come too late to help him.
He should win at least 100 of the 155 awarded in Texas.
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If Trump is within single digits and continues to hold a sizeable lead going into Texas, Cruz will get far less than 100,imo.
So Cruz is the conservative that we want, correct?
If the election were tomorrow and the only 2 running for president were Cruz and Trump, Cruz would win easily, right?
The reason Cruz would win is that he would get all the previous RED states and pull out the millions of petulant conservatives in NY, CA, WI, MI, NJ, PA, OH, ME, RI, CT, OR, WA, CO, NM, IL etc that have stayed home the past 20 years?
So Cruz is the conservative that we want, correct?
If the election were tomorrow and the only 2 running for president were Cruz and Trump, Cruz would win easily, right?
The reason Cruz would win is that he would get all the previous RED states and pull out the millions of petulant conservatives in NY, CA, WI, MI, NJ, PA, OH, ME, RI, CT, OR, WA, CO, NM, IL etc that have stayed home the past 20 years?
Only if they're intellectually honest. Libs said Reagan couldn't do it too.
So Cruz is the conservative that we want, correct?
If the election were tomorrow and the only 2 running for president were Cruz and Trump, Cruz would win easily, right?
The reason Cruz would win is that he would get all the previous RED states and pull out the millions of petulant conservatives in NY, CA, WI, MI, NJ, PA, OH, ME, RI, CT, OR, WA, CO, NM, IL etc that have stayed home the past 20 years?
Only if they're intellectually honest. Libs said Reagan couldn't do it too.
So once again for the R to win we are depending on all those missing ULTRA CONSERVATIVE YANKEES and LEFT COASTERS, in the MILLIONS, that haven't voted in 24 years to come out and vote?
I'm betting a bunch of the ULTRA CONSERVATIVES in those states you are waiting on are long dead or moved to the states that already are RED.
So Cruz is the conservative that we want, correct?
If the election were tomorrow and the only 2 running for president were Cruz and Trump, Cruz would win easily, right?
The reason Cruz would win is that he would get all the previous RED states and pull out the millions of petulant conservatives in NY, CA, WI, MI, NJ, PA, OH, ME, RI, CT, OR, WA, CO, NM, IL etc that have stayed home the past 20 years?
Whoever those closest conservatives are, they count more than the 42% of Americans who consider themselves Independent. Ah, fugg those guys, who needs 'em.
Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson says he's willing to consider being Donald Trump's vice president if the businessman wins the GOP nomination.
"I certainly would sit down and discuss it with him," he told Fox Business host Neil Cavuto on Tuesday, the day of the New Hampshire primary.
So once again for the R to win we are depending on all those missing ULTRA CONSERVATIVE YANKEES and LEFT COASTERS, in the MILLIONS, that haven't voted in 24 years to come out and vote?
I'm betting a bunch of the ULTRA CONSERVATIVES in those states you are waiting on are long dead or moved to the states that already are RED.
The USA hasn't elected 2 Democrat presidents in a row since 1852/1856. The only times a Democrat president has succeeded another Democrat president is when FDR and JFK died.
Do we really want to risk this streak by nominating somebody who has a higher unfavorability rating than Hillary Clinton?
It hurt Cruz and he had it coming. Live by the sword...
I guess Cruz's campaign deserves more credit than even I give them. Do you realize how hard it is to make the opposition accidently tell a reporter that they are quitting 30 minutes before a primary, make the reporter tweet it out to everybody and then mobilize everybody within a few minutes?
I guess Cruz's campaign deserves more credit than even I give them. Do you realize how hard it is to make the opposition accidently tell a reporter that they are quitting 30 minutes before a primary, make the reporter tweet it out to everybody and then mobilize everybody within a few minutes? -----
Cruz's camp tried that same spin, too.
Unfortunately, when your spin gets called out for the lie it actually is,you pay the price for it, as he has. And, Carson will see to it Cruz still pays the price for it through March.
On the Commie ticket, I think Hillary is finished so that leaves the Bern unless Blomberg or Shotgun Joe step in.
I have no idea who'll win on the Republican side. Seems like now it will be Trump vs. the rest. I'd think Cruz would have the best shot if it's not Trump.
I get it. It was all a coincidence that Cruz and Rubio's campaigns just happened to be planning a rumor that Carson was dropping seconds after a CNN reporter was tweeting it.
It is for me. Obviously he is not above desperation politics. I guess we'll see if he really cares about the country or just another wanna be politician soon.
It is for me. Obviously he is not above desperation politics. I guess we'll see if he really cares about the country or just another wanna be politician soon.
Carson isn't worthy of mention, IMO. He was never in the running. He might be worth something to somebody if he can deliver a good section of a voting bloc. I'm not sure he can.
He wouldn't liberals do that...conservatives don't have to use roofies they dazzle with their superior intellect and get to "nail" a coherent willing chick
On the Commie ticket, I think Hillary is finished so that leaves the Bern unless Blomberg or Shotgun Joe step in.
I have no idea who'll win on the Republican side. Seems like now it will be Trump vs. the rest. I'd think Cruz would have the best shot if it's not Trump.
Republican - Trump will win
Commie ticket .... .... Hildabeest ; shotgun Joe -- the VP is down and out
.... Hildabeest ; shotgun Joe -- the VP is down and out