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Hoover served as Sec of Commerce for both Harding and Coolidge and earlier he was appointed to head the Food Administration, as it existed back then.
So, what's this no political experience you speak of all about?
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Hoover served as Sec of Commerce for both Harding and Coolidge and earlier he was appointed to head the Food Administration, as it existed back then.
So, what's this no political experience you speak of all about? I said he was an "appointed administrator" which is what those jobs are. He had never held elected office. That's a fact.
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While I applaud Pat's exploration into his narcissism fad as of late, if he truly understood the psychological disorder, he'd know Cruz would be the one closer resembling and identifying with narcissism, not Trump.
In fact, Cruz could be the poster child for this new psychological phenomenon. New psychological phenomenon? Where have you been the last 7 years? You guys are just picking the new guy who's promising to fundamentally transform America.
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My biggest beef with Trump, even more than the fact that I don't like him as a candidate and a man, is the fact that he has created an environment where all the republicans are destroying each other. Yeah, I know, attacks happen in every election, but he has proven that there is no floor on how low the process can sink. With the amount of material that they could be focusing on by going after Hillary and Sanders, their wasting their time and money destroying the republican party. We should be evaluating how well they talk about what's wrong with the democrat candidates as a preview to a general election. Instead, this entire process is all about Trump. If he wins, he have a horrible candidate at best that doesn't share our values imo. If he loses, he has made sure that the rest of the republican field is a bloody mess. The R's have been beating each other down in primaries for a long long time. They do bring up every possible misstep by an opposing candidate to tear them down, and then in a general election, are stuck in a hole with all of their skeletons exposed. Been that way for decades, and it is stupid, as it hinders the whole party. Trump somehow excels at this though, and slings the most slop in the hog pin. If that is the way they are going to play the game, then that is the way to win it, unfortunately.
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Every good salesman knows that the key to closing a deal is tapping emotion and avoiding logic. There's two types of successful businessmen. One focuses on producing a better product, the other focuses on winning by destroying the competition. It's pretty clear what Trump is. Worst part is, he does it like some whiny brat you know never got a switch laid to his butt.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
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Tearing down the other guy was popular long before they tore into Abe Lincoln (R) for being so ugly.
Politicians are liars, it's really that simple. Some are brilliant and some work long hours, and occasionally one will do something statesmanlike for the good of the country but only if it benefits them as well. But all of the successful ones are great liars, that is their stock in trade.
I was thinking about all of this debating earlier and it brings to mind an image of passengers on the Titanic who, upon seeing themselves in iceberg laden waters, argue vehemently among themselves about whether to play shuffleboard or badminton. They have no say in how the ship is steered but forcing one half of the passengers or the other to play their chosen game gives them a feeling of being in control. But they're all eventually going down together.
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While I applaud Pat's exploration into his narcissism fad as of late, if he truly understood the psychological disorder, he'd know Cruz would be the one closer resembling and identifying with narcissism, not Trump.
In fact, Cruz could be the poster child for this new psychological phenomenon.
Over the edge into the abyss. You're long gone.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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The last Republican businessman to become president with no experience as an elected official was Herbert Hoover. He had been very successful in business and as an appointed administrator. How did that work out?. Hillary's only experience before becoming Secretary of State was as a senator. The only reason she became a senator was because she was married to Bill Clinton, she had absolutely NO experience before that. Her tenure as a senator was forgettable and her term as Secretary of State was a disaster. Basically she has no qualifications to be President. To say she's more qualified than Trump is laughable.
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Every politician at the national level is an ego maniac/narcissist. Every one of them.
You'd be naive to think otherwise.
A major problem that we have with politicians is that the type we really need to save us, wouldn't put himself through what it takes to run for office and win. The truly humble statesman is not attractive enough to the voters to win an election. That is more the media's and voter's fault than anything.
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The last Republican businessman to become president with no experience as an elected official was Herbert Hoover. He had been very successful in business and as an appointed administrator. How did that work out?. Hillary's only experience before becoming Secretary of State was as a senator. The only reason she became a senator was because she was married to Bill Clinton, she had absolutely NO experience before that. Her tenure as a senator was forgettable and her term as Secretary of State was a disaster. Basically she has no qualifications to be President. To say she's less qualified than Trump is laughable. I wasn't referring to Hillary. She would be terrible as president because she is a leftist criminal. The discussion is about the Republican primary and my point was that just because someone is a successful businessman doesn't necessarily mean they would be a good president. It doesn't necessarily mean they would be bad either. It means that people need to look at other qualities as well as business success to determine who might be a good president.
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Those of us who are not enamored with Mr.Trump have been trying to understand why his fans are, for months. We have been confounded by the fact that his past is of no consequence and that his refusal to commit to any agenda other than "Make America Great Again" is enough for so many to carry his torch. It has been said by many that the reason they like him is that he is too wealthy to be corrupted, but that just didn't make much sense. Corrupted from what? Being a democrat? A rival campaign blamed it on "celebrity", and I bought into that for a while, but who watched his game show? If they did, who liked his character?
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned. I just assumed that folks were not using their critical thinking skills, you know, like democrats. But, you may be onto something. kwg
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While I applaud Pat's exploration into his narcissism fad as of late, if he truly understood the psychological disorder, he'd know Cruz would be the one closer resembling and identifying with narcissism, not Trump.
In fact, Cruz could be the poster child for this new psychological phenomenon.
that's silly, even for you.
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The last Republican businessman to become president with no experience as an elected official was Herbert Hoover. He had been very successful in business and as an appointed administrator. How did that work out?. Hillary's only experience before becoming Secretary of State was as a senator. The only reason she became a senator was because she was married to Bill Clinton, she had absolutely NO experience before that. Her tenure as a senator was forgettable and her term as Secretary of State was a disaster. Basically she has no qualifications to be President. To say she's more qualified than Trump is laughable. But you can thank CONSERVATIVE Yankees in New York for welcoming her and electing her. Way to go NEW YORK!!!!!
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Wasn't it Tennessee that gave us Al Gore and Global warming?  Hey wait a minute...Bill and Hillary were politically "hatched",and developed their corrupt and nefarious political ways....in Arkansas. Isn't that the "conservative" south? LMAO. Regardless where they came from, Hillary is utterly incompetent to be president by any objective standard,even though Obama has set the bar so low,almost anyone would be an improvement.
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Reg Dems 5,137,518 Reg. Rep 2,654,481 Do you have to register everywhere except Arkansas? Here all you have to do at the ballot box, is tell them which ballot you want in the primaries. The rest of the year, you tell them nothing. miles
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Those of us who are not enamored with Mr.Trump have been trying to understand why his fans are, for months. We have been confounded by the fact that his past is of no consequence and that his refusal to commit to any agenda other than "Make America Great Again" is enough for so many to carry his torch. It has been said by many that the reason they like him is that he is too wealthy to be corrupted, but that just didn't make much sense. Corrupted from what? Being a democrat? A rival campaign blamed it on "celebrity", and I bought into that for a while, but who watched his game show? If they did, who liked his character?
I've figured it out. The reason a Trump fan can't be convinced that he is a bad man is because they know he is a bad man. That's what they like about him. He is condescending, rude, and mean and they are hoping to project their own anger through him.
Everything else be damned. He's popular with the base because he represents a non-establishment voice that has enough personal wealth to overcome the control of the establishment over who can and cannot run for president. The chance for politics to be about who's conservative and who's not has past, at least for the present. We've been asking for conservatives to vote for, and been having the neocon vs liberal choice forced on on for decades. The damage caused by this arrangement has finally become nearly terminal for the nation, so now it's about establishment/internationalism vs non-establishment Americanism. Not enough people are able to be suckered into another phony conservative like Cruz to get one such as him nominated anymore.
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U dips skipped the business man last time. How's that working out? Look dickweed...most of us didn't skip schitt. The last time, the businessman in question wasn't a democrat until he wasn't...he also hadn't donated money to the likes of hillary, schumer, reid, emanuel...etc. etc....but he still didn't get elected. Before trump made plans to run, he was also in support of the AWB & TPP...etc. etc...Do you really think trump ain't gonna change colors if/when he's elected? He's already admitted he can do what he wants & his supporters won't care...How does Vice President Oprah sound??? I really don't know why it's so hard for some of you guys...
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Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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